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[diehardskin2982]

Coles won't get released, just because he is that good, and we won't let him go to Dallas. I hope we send him to Baltimore and we get their first. Samuels needs to stop b.s.ing and restructure

[Schneed10]

OK here's the thing. If you can restructure Samuels then you end up making the Redskins a good $8 million or so under the $85 million cap. Then if you trade Coles, you get hit with the 9.28 million, but 3.5 of that was already going to the cap. So the additional hit to our cap would amount to 5.5 million or so. Subtracting the 5.5 from the 8 million we'd have after restructuring Samuels, we'd end up with about 2.5 million in wiggle room. So with that, you sign Antonio Pierce, and you live with your WR situation. Or you say goodbye to Pierce and you bring in a free agent WR (but Gibbs said he wouldn't do that on the radio). Those moves would pretty much eat up the rest of the cap room. Free agency will be dull for us this year if Coles gets traded.

But the bright side, you will have freed up tons of cap room in 2006, getting rid of Coles' ~$5 million, and reducing Samuels from $11 million down to like $6 million. That's a gain of $10 million in cap room, taking them down to $96 million in 2006. Figure the cap keeps increasing at the rate it has been, to about $90 million next year, and they're only over by $6 million or so instead of the Titans disaster they were headed for next year. Then, restructure a few contracts and you can manage to keep your core together.

So trading Coles actually may have some long-term viability. And if we get a high pick, like late 1st or early 2nd rounder, that player will hopefully be making a long-term contribution.

Sorry to beat you over the head with numbers, but I'm liking the way it would shape up for a few years down the road. I was fearing a dismantling of the team in 2006, but trading Coles would seem to help that situation. We'd be limited in what we can do this year, and we'd have to basically get our new talent through the draft instead of free agency, but that's probably exactly what the team needs.

[Schneed10]

Basically, sometimes you have to bite the salary cap bullet to avoid being forced to blow up the team down the road. And if you can get something for Coles while you're at it, all the better.

[offiss]

Samuel's will restructure or he will be gone, Coles will be dealt we are not just going to give him away, if he truley want's out he will forgo the $5mil from us and get it back and more when he renegotiates with his new team, if he really want's out that's how it has to be, and yes I would trade him for the highest #1 possible even the boy's if they are offereing, we need to get better in plenty of other area's, we need a #1 for Coles and at least a #3 for Gardner, I would also look for something for Morton as well, that could land us a nice draft this year.

[sportscurmudgeon]

So, let's see if I have this right...

The Skins have known they had to get Samuels to restructure for about a year now - - since they tried to get him to do it last year. Then they got a proposal from his agent and they turned it down. Now, the "market price" has gone up and the Redskins are unwilling to go there.

Isn't Danny Boy the guy who never lets $$$ stand in the way of a deal? Remember, he's the one who paid LC a $13M signing bonus when LC was only asking for $10M and then Danny Boy went around gloating about how smart he was. Who nixed the earlier deal - the one they'd love to have now but the price of poker just went up?

Samuels and his agent are in the drivers' seat and they know it. Remember, all he has to do is not sign anything and he gets $6.5M next year from the Redskins - or they can release him and he can sign his big fat free agent contract somewhere else and get a big signing bonus. So, now he asks the Skins for a big signing bonus plus a little more because after all, he's doing them a favor...

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

SC,

In all fairness, we paid Coles $3 million more than what Coles was asking for because we needed to beat out the Jets' offer. Teams that have losing records and need to attract players in free agency consistently have to outbid teams with better records. We have losing a record and so we need to outbid teams like Philly, New England, etc.

[monk81]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

SC,

In all fairness, we paid Coles $3 million more than what Coles was asking for because we needed to beat out the Jets' offer. Teams that have losing records and need to attract players in free agency consistently have to outbid teams with better records. We have losing a record and so we need to outbid teams like Philly, New England, etc.

And even if we manage to re-work Samuels contract....you can add another team that we need to outbid......Jerry Jones promised that he is going to very aggressive in free agency this year.....and they have tons of cap room....before Bledsoe $20 milliion.......at least thats what our paper here reported................

[SmootSmack]

From Friday's Washington Times:

San Francisco 49ers coach Mike Nolan referenced his background with Coles and said he would be interested. The Baltimore Ravens, according to a source, have done due diligence on Coles but are leaning toward signing a free agent. The New York Jets already have had discussions with Washington about bringing back Coles. And several NFL executives believe the Minnesota Vikings would be interested after this week's trade of superstar Randy Moss.

So this leads me to naturally conclude that we're close to sending Coles to San Fran for the number 1 overall pick

[bedlamVR]

Y'know i just get the feeling this Coles thing just isn't going to happen. We have to restucture Samuels but that wa s a given from day one and I don't see us just gobbling up that room to release Coles .

We don't HAVE to do anything with Coles he is under contract and will return and play hard as he has said and we have X number of months of solid negoications to win him over to Gibbs overhaulled offence or arrange a release next year. It just strikes me as the Ramsey "I want a trade" deal last year and what happened there?

[bedlamVR]

Also . How the hell do we pay No.1 pick in a year where we have no glaring weaknesses that can be addressed in the draft class that has no must have top guy. We need to trade down if anyone and this year it is a buyers market trades in the top 5 will be few and far between.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

Also . How the hell do we pay No.1 pick in a year where we have no glaring weaknesses that can be addressed in the draft class that has no must have top guy. We need to trade down if anyone and this year it is a buyers market trades in the top 5 will be few and far between.

I'm guessing you might be responding to my earlier post when I said we're clearly close to sending Coles to San Fran for the no. 1 pick

I was only joking, just making light of all the outrageous trade rumors we inevitably hear at this time of year

I can't predict the future but I'm almost sure it doesn't involve Coles for the 1st overall pick

[Daseal]

You trade it down - Bedlam.

[Daseal]

You're right SS. Their 1st and 2nd rounders!

[SkinsRock]

Ok, I've been away from the boards for a while, so here are my thoughts on the Coles situation (like anyone cares):

Coles needs a history lesson. He needs to look at the WR's from Gibbs' first tenure and he will see that they got plenty of work in his "ball-control" offense (a SB record 35 points scored in one quarter doesn't come from running the ball). Plus they are included in the top Skins WR's of all-time. Gibbs just needed a year to "get his feet wet" and has said that they will go downfield more this year.

The toe will be what hurts Coles or the Skins. If they try to trade him, it may keep them from getting what they want for him, and if they released him, it would keep him from getting as much money. Ironic, considering that I think that is what is behind this whole thing (Redskins want him to get the surgery and he doesn't). How does he know a new team wouldn't want him to do it?

If he is unwilling to give up the 5 million, the Skins should keep him to prove a point that anyone can't just leave regardless of the contract they signed...but I don't think they will.

[SkinsRock]

Another thing, last year he had a great 90 catches for a disappointing 950 yards. Well maybe if his toe was healthy, he would have actually gotten more yards after the catch....hmmm....