The end of the three point stance?

[tryfuhl]

I understand the money aspect but why should a home team lose their home game? Are season tickets going to be less? You want a game in China, Japan, etc? Pro Bowl would be perfect. They get to see the best players all at once as well as having a week's worth or so of introduction to American Football via the exhibits, clinics, etc that go on Pro Bowl week, perfect exposure imo

[irish]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I understand the money aspect but why should a home team lose their home game? Are season tickets going to be less? You want a game in China, Japan, etc? Pro Bowl would be perfect. They get to see the best players all at once as well as having a week's worth or so of introduction to American Football via the exhibits, clinics, etc that go on Pro Bowl week, perfect exposure imo

The long term plan isnt to have teams play a few games in China, England, wherever, its to put franchises there. Ultimately I think the Super Bowl would be between the North American Conference and the International Conference.

IMO, the NFL has pretty muched tapped out the US market for making $ but there's an awful lot of $ to be made in the rest of the world.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by irish

The long term plan isnt to have teams play a few games in China, England, wherever, its to put franchises there. Ultimately I think the Super Bowl would be between the North American Conference and the International Conference.

IMO, the NFL has pretty muched tapped out the US market for making $ but there's an awful lot of $ to be made in the rest of the world.

Yeah I mentioned overseas expansion as well, that's freaking crazy. NAC vs IC would be the stupidest freaking thing ever. You'd basically be exporting US players to these other countries, lower the level of talent needed because of diluting the league with even more teams, etc. Can you imagine the nightmare of Team England going to Team China to play.. or vice versa?

Shipping US guys over to play in an asian league would be one thing, kind of like in hockey, some guys stay in Russia, some come over, blah blah.. but they still play within a central league. If the NFL wants NFL Europe v.2 then by all means, try it somewhere else, but don't mix it in with what we already have.

[irish]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah I mentioned overseas expansion as well, that's freaking crazy. NAC vs IC would be the stupidest freaking thing ever. You'd basically be exporting US players to these other countries, lower the level of talent needed because of diluting the league with even more teams, etc. Can you imagine the nightmare of Team England going to Team China to play.. or vice versa?

Shipping US guys over to play in an asian league would be one thing, kind of like in hockey, some guys stay in Russia, some come over, blah blah.. but they still play within a central league. If the NFL wants NFL Europe v.2 then by all means, try it somewhere else, but don't mix it in with what we already have.

I dont think the idea is stupid but I do think logistically it would be difficult. Expansion has nothing to do with the quality of the game, it has to do with making $. The only reason the NFL ever expands is to make more $. The NFL is pretty much out of ways to squeeze $ out of its American fans so by expanding overseas it can tap a whole new set of wallets. The overseas fans will never really fullembrace the game until they have a team of their own to follow. Once they have that team they will start buying the hats shirts and other junk the NFL sells. In addition to the TV contract and expansion fees. Its a lot of $ that cant be ignored.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think the idea is stupid but I do think logistically it would be difficult. Expansion has nothing to do with the quality of the game, it has to do with making $. The only reason the NFL ever expands is to make more $. The NFL is pretty much out of ways to squeeze $ out of its American fans so by expanding overseas it can tap a whole new set of wallets. The overseas fans will never really fullembrace the game until they have a team of their own to follow. Once they have that team they will start buying the hats shirts and other junk the NFL sells. In addition to the TV contract and expansion fees. Its a lot of $ that cant be ignored.

this whole post is why trying to expand overseas is a bad idea, you get lost in the dollar signs and churn out a shitty product

to say expansion does nothing to the quality of the game is a bit of a reach, you make more and more teams and you let in more and more players who otherwiese would be cut from a roster which in turn brings the quality of the game down

[irish]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

this whole post is why trying to expand overseas is a bad idea, you get lost in the dollar signs and churn out a shitty product

to say expansion does nothing to the quality of the game is a bit of a reach, you make more and more teams and you let in more and more players who otherwiese would be cut from a roster which in turn brings the quality of the game down

Where did I say expansion does nothing to the quality of the game? I think in the short term the expansion teams arent very good but they catch up pretty quickly. Of course if the league went by your logic there would be maybe 4 or 6 teams. Only the very best players would be on the teams and the quality (whatever that means) would be sky high, but I doubt there'd be very much interest nationwide. Bringing in the AFL didnt hurt the NFL. Adding TB, Seatt & Jax didnt hurt.

I'm not sure what you mean by shitty product since that's pretty subjective. As long as the games are close and exciting the NFL and 90% of fans would say the product is fine.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by irish

Where did I say expansion does nothing to the quality of the game? I think in the short term the expansion teams arent very good but they catch up pretty quickly. Of course if the league went by your logic there would be maybe 4 or 6 teams. Only the very best players would be on the teams and the quality (whatever that means) would be sky high, but I doubt there'd be very much interest nationwide. Bringing in the AFL didnt hurt the NFL. Adding TB, Seatt & Jax didnt hurt.

I'm not sure what you mean by shitty product since that's pretty subjective. As long as the games are close and exciting the NFL and 90% of fans would say the product is fine.

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think the idea is stupid but I do think logistically it would be difficult. Expansion has nothing to do with the quality of the game, it has to do with making $. The only reason the NFL ever expands is to make more $. The NFL is pretty much out of ways to squeeze $ out of its American fans so by expanding overseas it can tap a whole new set of wallets. The overseas fans will never really fullembrace the game until they have a team of their own to follow. Once they have that team they will start buying the hats shirts and other junk the NFL sells. In addition to the TV contract and expansion fees. Its a lot of $ that cant be ignored.

i think the leauge is good where it stands right now, if it expanded they would have to have more games add more players per team and i think that would in turn bring down the qaulity of games and make each game mean that much less, just my opinion