pro life ad's in georgia

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

I choose single payer for selfish reasons...I believe it saves me money in the long run..I'm worried about my bottom dollar...some skank aborting her baby doesnt impact my pocket.

It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post553394

Suppose I tell you that 90% of Americans will die of a mutated swine flu a month from now. Would this new found knowledge frighten you? My hearth aches at the thought and I can't help it. This is a normal and expected reaction. Indifference which is essential your position is not acceptable. If we all die off tomorrow, a month, a year, millions of years, or billions of years from now it's all the same. The grim demise of mankind and even the universe at large should be a frighting prospect irrespective of timetable or and lack of control.
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Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, us_abortion_statistics, certainly not a number to be discounted.

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post553394

Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, us_abortion_statistics, certainly not a number to be discounted.

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked

Don't bother. He thinks he's better than everyone else.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Don't bother. He thinks he's better than everyone else.

I know but the stark contrast was interesting to me.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's interesting that you care so little about a baby whose birth is foreseeable in the short term - less than 9 months. But when the discussion on the end of the world was going on, you stated that the death of those in the far distant future should be a frightening prospect to us now.

But the skank who has an abortion, and the baby that would have been, don't get that same heart ache response.
http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post553394

Almost 1 million babies a year are not born due to abortions, granted that's not 90%, but the abortion to live birth ratio, as of 2001, was 246 abortions for every 1000 live births, us_abortion_statistics, certainly not a number to be discounted.

I googled, and used those statistics, looks like a pro-life site, so they are probably skewed high, but the point is valid if the number is ballparked

1. If you're going to cite statistics why not just go with the CDC?
2. By your admission ("granted it's not 90%") you can not compare the death of 90% of Americans and the near extinction of human population to a few million abortions.
3. If I have to worry about the death of bunch of cells (that's what a fetus is for the first 4 months, I mean it can't think, it can't talk, it's an attachment to a woman's body that can't do anything) I'd be depressed about all the spermicide I've been committing all these years.

TTL, it's not that I think I'm better than everyone else, it's just that I think you people half-ass everything. With you being at the top of the leader-board of course.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

1. If you're going to cite statistics why not just go with the CDC?
2. By your admission ("granted it's not 90%") you can not compare the death of 90% of Americans and the near extinction of human population to a few million abortions.
3. If I have to worry about the death of bunch of cells (that's what a fetus is for the first 4 months, I mean it can't think, it can't talk, it's an attachment to a woman's body that can't do anything) I'd be depressed about all the spermicide I've been committing all these years.

TTL, it's not that I think I'm better than everyone else, it's just that I think you people half-ass everything. With you being at the top of the leader-board of course.

Disgusting line of thought and completely untrue. It's a live person, not a potential person or "fetus", it's just a human being who needs to be nurtured. If we follow your line of thinking (and Hitler's), every handicapped and elderly person should also be exterminated because they need help and care to live. This casual disregard for the value of life itself will be the downfall of our society.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Disgusting line of thought and completely untrue. It's a live person, not a potential person or "fetus", it's just a human being who needs to be nurtured. If we follow your line of thinking (and Hitler's), every handicapped and elderly person should also be exterminated because they need help and care to live. This casual disregard for the value of life itself will be the downfall of our society.

Hitler argument eh?


Ding Ding Ding, we have a wiener.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

Hitler argument eh?


Ding Ding Ding, we have a wiener.

Simply calling the blatant disregard for human life as I see it. If you're offended by the comparison, you may want to examine your beliefs with a little help from a conscience.

[Trample the Elderly]

Let's approach the pro-abortion stance from another angle. If it's a woman's body to make decisions with, then alright! How come I can't say, main-line crystal meth? It's my body right? Take the morals and ethos out and make it a question of ownership. What about suicide? Take away the morals and it should be perfectly legal, right?

If it's my body, how come I can't shoot dope or commit suicide? Yet abortion, that's off limits? Somehow infanticide is legal and moral, yet being a junkie or euthanizing old people isn't?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Let's approach the pro-abortion stance from another angle. If it's a woman's body to make decisions with, then alright! How come I can't say, main-line crystal meth? It's my body right? Take the morals and ethos out and make it a question of ownership. What about suicide? Take away the morals and it should be perfectly legal, right?

If it's my body, how come I can't shoot dope or commit suicide? Yet abortion, that's off limits? Somehow infanticide is legal and moral, yet being a junkie or euthanizing old people isn't?

We finally agree on something...meth should be legal and if you rob and steal trying to support your meth habit you should be sent to a suicide booth.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Buster

Simply calling the blatant disregard for human life as I see it. If you're offended by the comparison, you may want to examine your beliefs with a little help from a conscience.

and you think liberals are condescending?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and you think liberals are condescending?

Yes. Murder is not a minor thing, sorry if I don't pass it off for my own selfish reasons.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Buster

Simply calling the blatant disregard for human life as I see it. If you're offended by the comparison, you may want to examine your beliefs with a little help from a conscience.

If only Hitler's mother chose abortion I would be a lot less offended.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

If only Hitler's mother chose abortion I would be a lot less offended.

Does that mean you'd help pay for me to have a vasectomy? I'm serious. It costs too much money for me. It's that or suffer under my army of darkness. :FIREdevil

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by saden1

1. If you're going to cite statistics why not just go with the CDC?
2. By your admission ("granted it's not 90%") you can not compare the death of 90% of Americans and the near extinction of human population to a few million abortions.
3. If I have to worry about the death of bunch of cells (that's what a fetus is for the first 4 months, I mean it can't think, it can't talk, it's an attachment to a woman's body that can't do anything) I'd be depressed about all the spermicide I've been committing all these years.

TTL, it's not that I think I'm better than everyone else, it's just that I think you people half-ass everything. With you being at the top of the leader-board of course.

1) OK here is CDC's result:

The national legal induced abortion ratio increased from 196 per 1,000 live births in 1973 (the first year that 52 areas reported) to 358 per 1,000 in 1979 and remained nearly stable through 1981 (Figure 1; Table 2). The ratio peaked at 364 per 1,000 in 1984 and since then has demonstrated a generally steady decline. In 2002, the abortion ratio was 246 per 1,000 in 49 reporting areas (the same as in 2001) and 248 for the same 48 reporting areas for which data were available since 1998 (Table 2).

So, though it was a pro-life site, their stats were correct.

2) Your statement was that you don't care for the one skank, and a life that is formed and will be born barring an abortion, but the thought of unformed uncreated life a billion years from now makes your heart ache. The dichotomy of your position is simple, and shows you to be heartless to those around you who you value as lesser beings.

3) It is a bunch of cells dependent on the host body, the mom, you are correct, but it is living and growing, your example of spermicide is blatantly a false comparison, spermicide acts before the egg has been fertilized and begun to cluster and divide as cells.

rationalize as you will, but before you start commenting about half ass retorts, realize half-ass is better than an empty response like your last one.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

1) OK here is CDC's result:
So, though it was a pro-life site, their stats were correct.

2) Your statement was that you don't care for the one skank, and a life that is formed and will be born barring an abortion, but the thought of unformed uncreated life a billion years from now makes your heart ache. The dichotomy of your position is simple, and shows you to be heartless to those around you who you value as lesser beings.

3) It is a bunch of cells dependent on the host body, the mom, you are correct, but it is living and growing, your example of spermicide is blatantly a false comparison, spermicide acts before the egg has been fertilized and begun to cluster and divide as cells.

rationalize as you will, but before you start commenting about half ass retorts, realize half-ass is better than an empty response like your last one.

1. I posted a link to the CDC site so your stats actually have weight...I do read what I post.

2. It's not that I think they are lesser beings, it's that I don't think they are beings for the first few months. Yes, I am more concerned about the existence of human beings in the future than I am of fetuses getting aborted. There's nothing contradictory between the two positions.

3. Growing? Yes, living? No. Their lives are not discernible from that of the host mothers. She dies, they die...she eats, they eat.

It's not rationalizing, it's simple logic devoid of personal beliefs. And for the record, abortion isn't for me and my wife...and I certainly don't support abortion after 5 months unless there's an extraneous circumstance.