Colt Brennan vs Rookie class

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell is a "loser" based on what? If we had Colt or Collins in his place last season, they'd be in wheelchairs right now and we'd be picking #1 or #2 after our one-win season, only beating the Rams. Campbell did a lot with nothing to work with...no line and no running game. He's the least of our problems.

I do agree about giving him a chance in camp, which means...lose Collins.

His 19-32 record( sad to say its a record despite his players .)

His stats are overrated. Do you really believe he deserves a 100.QB rating in the MNF eagles game that ended up blowing us out?. OR his 77% COMP rating in week one of the Giants?. See what I'm saying.


And don't bring up all the OL excuse, this kid doesn't read the defense, read the blitz,coverages ,etc. Portis made that loud and clear for a reason. And JC is very inaccurate in big down the field plays and is not a Shanahan type. A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by redskins202

A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now and Bradford is nowhere even close to being worth the 4th pick. He isn't worth a first round pick, much less 4th overall.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now and Bradford is nowhere even close to being worth the 4th pick. He isn't worth a first round pick, much less 4th overall.

Your Bradford analysis is off base. Bradford is 6-4 with well above average release and arm strength. There are questions about his transition to a pro style offense, but he has the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB which is why he will be drafted in the top 10 in April. To toss him in a barrel with Colt Brennan who was barely even drafted is not even close to acurate.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by celts32

Your Bradford analysis is off base. Bradford is 6-4 with well above average release and arm strength. There are questions about his transition to a pro style offense, but he has the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB which is why he will be drafted in the top 10 in April. To toss him in a barrel with Colt Brennan who was barely even drafted is not even close to acurate.

Agreed. Sam Bradford is a good QB for Shanahan to have even Jimmy Clausen. I liked Colt Brennan but he doesn't have the mechanics in the throwing motion to do good.

Sam Bradford is very accurate and has been compared to almost a Peyton Manning accuracy . Jimmy Clausen has the quickest sharpest throws. Both can be good. Candle is not good.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Agreed. Sam Bradford is a good QB for Shanahan to have even Jimmy Clausen. I liked Colt Brennan but he doesn't have the mechanics in the throwing motion to do good.

Steve Young

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Steve Young

Bernie Kosar

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Brennan was outperformed by a 5'10", UDFA last training camp and in the pre-season. Campbell will be here this year, we need a veteran back-up (Collins, Garcia, etc.) and we will draft a QB or bring in another UDFA. Brennan won't make the roster.....then we can finally give the Cult their Nikes and send them off to the Hale-Bop comet.

I've said it numerous times before and I'll say it again, Colt Brennan = Timmy Chang.

[Mc2guy]

Originally Posted by celts32

Your Bradford analysis is off base. Bradford is 6-4 with well above average release and arm strength. There are questions about his transition to a pro style offense, but he has the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB which is why he will be drafted in the top 10 in April. To toss him in a barrel with Colt Brennan who was barely even drafted is not even close to acurate.

Bradford is taller, I'll concede that, but his arm is not that strong and he's coming off season ending shoulder surgery.

I went back and read multiple scouting reports on Bradford and the best I could find on his arm was "adequate" or "slightly above average", with other reports listing him as below average arm strength.

OK, so I'll give you he's a light year ahead of Brennan, but he played out of the shotgun in a spread offense and based on the tape I saw, is not an elite QB, and to waste a 4th on a project is not worth the investment in my opinion. Could he become a middling quality player (kind of like Campbell), probably, but I don't believe, after watching many of his games, that he will ever be elite. If you are going to spend a top ten pick on a QB, he better be elite.

We have a middle of the road QB...better to built the rest of the line up, take a shot on a 3rd rounder to compete with JC, and see what is available (IF THEY ARE EVEN PLAYING FOOTBALL IN 2012), the following year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Bradford is taller, I'll concede that, but his arm is not that strong and he's coming off season ending shoulder surgery.

I went back and read multiple scouting reports on Bradford and the best I could find on his arm was "adequate" or "slightly above average", with other reports listing him as below average arm strength.

OK, so I'll give you he's a light year ahead of Brennan, but he played out of the shotgun in a spread offense and based on the tape I saw, is not an elite QB, and to waste a 4th on a project is not worth the investment in my opinion. Could he become a middling quality player (kind of like Campbell), probably, but I don't believe, after watching many of his games, that he will ever be elite. If you are going to spend a top ten pick on a QB, he better be elite.

We have a middle of the road QB...better to built the rest of the line up, take a shot on a 3rd rounder to compete with JC, and see what is available (IF THEY ARE EVEN PLAYING FOOTBALL IN 2012), the following year.

I am not trying to convince you that Bradford should be the skins pick or that he will be a great QB. All I am saying is that he is not projected as a #1 draft pick for nothing. The guy is an elite prospect in the eyes of most NFL scouts. Above average arm, quick release, good decision maker...those are the types of things i read. Post a link to the scouting report that says he has a below average arm if you can. I am not saying your wrong but everything i read and heard was that his arm was at least above average.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway. That came after he was able to reduce the amount of passes Elway had to attempt (i.e. reverse the gunslinger tendencies), through a strong running game.

I have watched all I need to of CB and Bradford. Both are limp-armed, short, spread offense passers with average release times; who were successful in systems where their receivers were 4-5 yards open. That game doesn't fly in the NFL, which is why Colt is a pine rider and always will be. Deal.

I'm not saying JC is the long-term solution, but he's not the team's worst problem right now an

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How is that BS???? isn't a Jay Cutler- Bret Favre type of QB is the type of QB he likes?.



Jake Plummer was one.
Brian Grieseses was sorta kinda one but he was un-afraid of things.
Jay Cutler was one
John Elway was one
-Steve Young (when his days at 49ers as an OC) was one.

How is that BS?. Shanahan favorite QB and fan of is Bret Favre. If Bret Favre was released today he would pick him ip ASAP.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

That's BS. Shanahan found success with only one quarterback, Elway..

Plummer and to a lesser extent, Griese, might disagree with you

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

His 19-32 record( sad to say its a record despite his players .)

His stats are overrated. Do you really believe he deserves a 100.QB rating in the MNF eagles game that ended up blowing us out?. OR his 77% COMP rating in week one of the Giants?. See what I'm saying.


And don't bring up all the OL excuse, this kid doesn't read the defense, read the blitz,coverages ,etc. Portis made that loud and clear for a reason. And JC is very inaccurate in big down the field plays and is not a Shanahan type. A shanahan type of QB is a Jay Cutler or Bret Favre type, un-afraid gunslinngers.

So you want a QB that leads the league in INTs like Cutler? And I guess you weren't around when everyone was criticizing Favre and how his "gunslinger" attitude cost them the NO game.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

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I'm sorry did you say Bret Favre cost them the game?. His best weapons all fumbled on him 5 turn overs if anything. How can you say you wouldn't Want Favre who led a very good Vikes team to one game to the SB. Honestly the Saints cheated out the Vikes. Bret Favre had a career year and I would take him over Jason Candle any type of years , even Bret-Jet-Favre .


And Jay Cutler is a pro-bowler who is good and is a INT thrower but he is also a TD machine Thrower.

Both are pro-bowlers. One has a SB.

Jason Candle doesnt have neither or was considered one. And your acting like Candle never cost us the game at all?????he makes us look bad against bad teams. Bring in Favre or Cutler I bet our O would do better no way our O can look as bad as this.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I'm sorry did you say Bret Favre cost them the game?. His best weapons all fumbled on him 5 turn overs if anything. How can you say you wouldn't Want Favre who led a very good Vikes team to one game to the SB. Honestly the Saints cheated out the Vikes. Bret Favre had a career year and I would take him over Jason Candle any type of years , even Bret-Jet-Favre .


And Jay Cutler is a pro-bowler who is good and is a INT thrower but he is also a TD machine Thrower.

Both are pro-bowlers. One has a SB.

Jason Candle doesnt have neither or was considered one. And your acting like Candle never cost us the game at all?????he makes us look bad against bad teams. Bring in Favre or Cutler I bet our O would do better no way our O can look as bad as this.

Given the Favre argument you made above (i.e. it's everyone elses fault), the bolded statement is not only easily defensible, but should be obvious to you.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I'm sorry did you say Bret Favre cost them the game?. His best weapons all fumbled on him 5 turn overs if anything. How can you say you wouldn't Want Favre who led a very good Vikes team to one game to the SB. Honestly the Saints cheated out the Vikes. Bret Favre had a career year and I would take him over Jason Candle any type of years , even Bret-Jet-Favre .


And Jay Cutler is a pro-bowler who is good and is a INT thrower but he is also a TD machine Thrower.

Both are pro-bowlers. One has a SB.

Jason Candle doesnt have neither or was considered one. And your acting like Candle never cost us the game at all?????he makes us look bad against bad teams. Bring in Favre or Cutler I bet our O would do better no way our O can look as bad as this.

Look dude, the whole JC debate has been beaten to death. And like Matty said, it is not worth getting into it. My whole debate with people is, don't think that QB is the only thing that made this a 4-12 team. You're like 6-months behind in your criticism of Campbell.