ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

we would never get a 1st and 3rd for him, tender him for something we would get for him like a 3rd or 4th

Yeah, because you'd be the one that would let the top QB FA (given the crop of FA QBs out there) walk away for just a 3rd or 4th rounder.

If they do tender him that high it is obvious that they want to keep him or get a good compensation if they part ways with him. No one would be dumb enough to let him walk for such low price. Good thing you're not in charge of anything Mr. Cowboy fan.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah, because you'd be the one that would let the top QB FA (given the crop of FA QBs out there) walk away for just a 3rd or 4th rounder.

If they do tender him that high it is obvious that they want to keep him or get a good compensation if they part ways with him. No one would be dumb enough to let him walk for such low price. Good thing you're not in charge of anything Mr. Cowboy fan.

We're better off without him, and we'd be lucky even if we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

Again your very immature for your age with the whole Cowboy thing.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

We're better off without him, and we'd be lucky even if we could get a 3rd or 4th round pick for him.

Again your very immature for your age with the whole Cowboy thing.

Why are we better off without him, because you don't like him?

Regardless of what you think of a player, you don't want to give away any player without appropriate compensation. This is the part where your obvious anti-Campbell bias is shown when you are willing to part ways with him for a 4th rounder. You're one of those fans that hates Campbell so much that you want to get rid of him no matter what.

If they do tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd, it is obvious that the team wants to keep him or they want to make sure that they get very good compensation for him. The funny thing is that you want to get rid of Campbell for a 4th rounder, yet getting a first or second for him would pretty much guaranteed that we draft your mancrush Bradford.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Regardless of what you think of a player, you don't want to give away any player without appropriate compensation. This is the part where your obvious anti-Campbell bias is shown when you are willing to part ways with him for a 4th rounder. You're one of those fans that hates Campbell so much that you want to get rid of him no matter what.

If they do tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd,

or they want to make sure that they get very good compensation for him.

1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?

Why do you keep calling him Jason Candle? And whats this about a 70% chance? Doesn't seem likely with Shanahan's praise of him so far. Sure maybe he's trying to bump up the trade value but Occam's razor dictates that it's more then likely that he wants to give JC a fair shake.

Campbell might not be a world beater but he's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

? And whats this about a 70% chance? Doesn't seem likely with Shanahan's praise of him so far. Sure maybe he's trying to bump up the trade value but Occam's razor dictates that it's more then likely that he wants to give JC a fair shake.

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He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?.

YouTube - Jason Candle (Jason Campbell) Geico...

^^^Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?.


^^^Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.

I'm well aware of the Geico commercial. What I want to know is why you inisist on calling him Candle.

Bills - Right now are looking at Vick, Thigpen, and Edwards as their main option. Not the sexiest lineup but it is what it is.

Rams - Looking at one of the top 3 rookie QB's and Vick.

Vikings - Even if Farve retires the more likely option ends up being Childress trading for a QB that knows his system (ie Kolb or McNabb, with Kolb being the more likely prospect to get traded).

Jaguars - They've invested a lot of money in Garrard and for a frugal franchise thats big. The only QB they're considering right now is Tebow and thats more about selling tickets.

Raiders - Poor Al Davis. Can't see the fact that JaMarcus is a bust.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?

Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.

I think you are exaggerating on Campbell's abilities, especially when you see analysts say thing like this...

NFL: The Carolina Panthers have depth problems at wide receiver - ESPN

With Shanahan on board, Campbell finally would be fortunate enough to have some offensive stability in terms of the system, expectations and play-calling on a year-to-year basis. For once he wouldn't have to pick up a new language every offseason. Physically, Campbell has what it takes. He can move well enough to execute Shanahan's scheme, has a big strong arm to drive the ball down the field and is accurate enough. The tools are there, and he just had his best year as a starter. I contend that he could use a real confidence boost and some of the responsibility off his plate; he was simply asked to do way too much last year as nearly every aspect of the Redskins' offense crumbled around him. He was also sacked 43 times and was constantly under siege. But the beauty of sticking with Campbell is that the Redskins could then use the resources on building a quick zone-blocking offensive line and finding a ball carrier they can trust. Shanahan does have an impressive history of getting first-round production from mid-round running backs. I can live with the receiving corps that is in place and the defense.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by redskins202

He's AVG............and come on...did you see his pick 6 against the Giants game?. How does he mis-throw a pass for a pick 6???does any body else make an mistake like that?.
YouTube - Jason Candle (Jason Campbell) Geico Commercial


^^^Candle. And its 70% chance because.

1: Bills-Rams-Vikes-Cards-Jags-Oak- all could use a QB who thinls can be good so look for one of them to atleast offer a 3rd.

2: If we go Bradford look for Campbell to not come back.

70% in my view. 0% unless Candle thinks he can perform for us as just a back up than yea sure.

So "Jason Candle" is the first player to throw a pick 6, it's in the books

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?

I saw Campbell in 2009, but I also saw our offensive line's horrible play as well. I know we need a QB of the future, but as I said, I would rather us build the offensive line first and then pick that QB of the future. Best case scenario, would be to do both.

Regardless of what any fan thinks of Campbell, there are pundits out there (and not ordinary fans like you and I) who feel that Campbell is the top FA QB this offseason and has value. ESPN's Matt Williamson recently said that if the price is right, the Redskins should consider getting pick(s) for Campbell.

As I said, I know Campbell didn't play well, but I'm not as simple minded as some fans to think that he is the only reason we went 4-12. This team needs a franchise left tackle, needs a starting-caliber right tackle, possibly a new center and right guard, a new running game, and a QB of the future. All these things may not be addressed this offseason, but all of these problems are not going to be solved by getting rid of Campbell just for the hell of it. Now extra high picks would help a lot, and for once I want our team to be on the winning end of a lopsided trade and finagle a trade where we get a 1st or 2nd for Campbell.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I saw Campbell in 2009, but I also saw our offensive line's horrible play as well. I know we need a QB of the future, but as I said, I would rather us build the offensive line first and then pick that QB of the future. Best case scenario, would be to do both.

Regardless of what any fan thinks of Campbell, there are pundits out there (and not ordinary fans like you and I) who feel that Campbell is the top FA QB this offseason and has value. ESPN's Matt Williamson recently said that if the price is right, the Redskins should consider getting pick(s) for Campbell.

As I said, I know Campbell didn't play well, but I'm not as simple minded as some fans to think that he is the only reason we went 4-12. This team needs a franchise left tackle, needs a starting-caliber right tackle, possibly a new center and right guard, a new running game, and a QB of the future. All these things may not be addressed this offseason, but all of these problems are not going to be solved by getting rid of Campbell just for the hell of it. Now extra high picks would help a lot, and for once I want our team to be on the winning end of a lopsided trade and finagle a trade where we get a 1st or 2nd for Campbell.

Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

You just replaced Firstdown. Congrats.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by redskins202

Campbell a reason but the OL and Portis did bad. But sad to say you blaim the most from the QB unless your O is top 10 and dangerous and your QB had one heck of a season but your D did awful than you cant blaim the O. Look at 08 Saints with Brees, there D was the reason why they sucked.


But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

Wow, my head just exploded trying to read that. I think you need a visit from the Keyboard Police, you obviously don't have the proper training to posses one.

[johno]

Originally Posted by redskins202

But its ok me and you will enjoy Bradford but Campbell just AVG with an OL. I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

it becomes difficult to read this drivel after a while.

Back to the topic at hand, we all know there isnt a team out there that is going to give us a 1st and 3rd for Campbell. What is a more likely offer that we would accept? Should accept?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by redskins202

1: You haven't seen the 08-09 Jason Candle have you?.

2: It doesn't mean we want to keep him it means we are shopping to see what we can get for him. Honestly this is 70% chance Candle will not be back.

3: You would let Jason Candle come back and end up leaving than to get a 4th round pick which could help us pick up a Tackle or G or what ever?.

4: It wouldn't mean nothing we will regardless get a QB with more picks.


I mean I'm still shocked your saying we aren't better off with him. Do you believe Joe Montana-Steve Young- Bret Favre wouldnt give us a better record than 4-12?

Here we go again with the candle crap...do you realize NO ONE is going to take anything you say seriously with that immaturity? (not that your points are valid and unbiased anyways)


I do believe we should draft a Tackle with that #4 pick. Even if we get Bradford or Claussen, they won't be able to develop without a solid line. Think David Carr.

We won't get a 1st and 3rd for Campbell from anyone, so even speculating about a trade like this is pointless. Our best bet for success is to build up the line and let Campbell run Shanny's offense, which is tailor-made for his skillset. Shanahan's offense is run-heavy but the QB's role is made easy for a mobile QB to succeed. He likes to use half of the field and roll out the QB a lot. When tjhe QB rolls out, he'll have 3 routes being run at different depths right in front of him...so the progressions are as easy as counting 1-2-3 as the QB looks at all open options right in front of him. If no one is immediately open, the QB can take off, something that Campbell does better than most QBs in the league. He just needs to learn how to slide!

I think JC will be highly successful in this offense IF we have an offensive line and running game, which could come with the rebuilding of the line. With out first two picks at least, we need a Tackle and a Center/Guard. Rabach is backup material and cost us far too many points and possessions. After that, draft a RB and LB. If LeFevour is around in rounds 4-6, get him to groom as the #2 QB and to compete with Colt Brennan, who may not even make the team if we get someone like LeFevour. Late picks, get more depth at OL, LB and maybe even a CB with last-round potential. No more "best available" picks...we have specific and vital needs this year that Vinny and his crew ignored for years.

Originally Posted by redskins202

I recorded every tape and seen this guy to know he isn't it.

Try watching them, please.