ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Why do you think he's 2nd round caliber?

[Lotus]

Some folks in this thread are really undervaluing Campbell. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Campbell fan and I'm excited by the idea that we might be moving on at QB. But JC has a career passer rating in the 80's and has a good amount of starting experience. He could start or be a competent backup for many teams. The folks who think he's worth nothing or only worth a 4th round pick are not giving JC his due, even if he is made of wax.

I think the 1st and 3rd tender is an astute personnel move.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Some folks in this thread are really undervaluing Campbell. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Campbell fan and I'm excited by the idea that we might be moving on at QB. But JC has a career passer rating in the 80's and has a good amount of starting experience. He could start or be a competent backup for many teams. The folks who think he's worth nothing or only worth a 4th round pick are not giving JC his due, even if he is made of wax.

I think the 1st and 3rd tender is an astute personnel move.

For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

For all his starting experience you'd think he'd have even a little pocket presence and feel for the position but he doesnt. I agrre that he could be a decent back up but he's not a starter that will take a team anywhere.

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

i would love for him to be our back-up qb, that would be awesome, but i don't see that happening

[irish]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Would you keep him on the roster as a backup? Supposing that you couldn't trade him, and it was either keep him or let him go.

I'd keep him. I expect he could beat out a rookie (although I wouldnt bet on it) and maybe start until the rookie was ready to go in week 10.

There is an bit in today's Wash Post where it says that Mel Kiper projects that it looks more & more that the Skins will take Clausen at #4.

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Hes actully worth a first rounder and possibly better than Sam Bradford. He has the quickest zip and good throwing motion along with his mobility in the pocket for a Shanahan type of offense.

3-year WCO type of QB(All pro offense)- and a film rat type of guy. He could very we'll be the guy for our pick with his mobility .

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since mcshay says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what mcshay thinks but that is your right)

[redskins202]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

b/c of what ive seen of him, reading scouting and expert reports, his 20+ tds last year compared to his 4 ints (one of which was a hail mary, another wasnt his fault), his ability to read defenses, his understanding of a pro style offense, etc.

im gonna guess that you dont like clausen, never really gave him an objective evaluation or even evaluated him on your own at all but am just making an uninformed opinion. since maylock says hes second round you think hes second round?

when people say so-n-so is going to be an unequivocal bust before the combine, draft and actually having that player play a year or two; it really brings into quesiton how that person can come to such an absolute opinion with so little to go by except gut instinct.

like SS asked, why do you think he is a decent 2nd round pick? (itd be a cop out if you just recite what maylock thinks but that is your right)

I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by redskins202

I agree. Only reason people wouldn't want Clausen is manly these two reasons.


-A ND QB(Clausen probably the best QB coming into the draft for a decade) but since he's from ND he's suppose to be a bust....

-He looks ugly and rumor saids hes gay. So basically fans don't want him for this either.

Flacco's ugly but that doesn't mean I don't want him as a QB. This makes no sense to draft a QB on best looking. And where have you heard that he's gay? The only I've heard about clausen is that he's a trash talker and got into a few bar fights at ND, one of them giving him a black eye.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

Agreed that McShay is wrong on Clausen. It's not preposterous to grade him as a second rounder, at least no more preposterous than grading him as a top five type, but he compares favorably (IMO) to Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman from a year ago, and Stafford and Sanchez both had top half of the round grades from McShay.

Taking him at four...probably a bit of a stretch. But in the Dirtbag trademarked Bradford-Okung-Suh scenario, Clausen isn't really more of a reach than Bulaga or CJ Spiller as need players. It would be justifiable if Bradford and Okung and Suh were gone, although the BPA principle would likely suggest that the best players are on defense.

[terpsez11]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Most folks have Clausen going top 10. Matt McGuire at Walter Football makes the argument for Clausen very strong. McShay is wrong on this one.

WalterFootball.com: The NFL Matt Draft - Matt McGuire's NFL Draft Blog

"First, I am going to tell you why you might not like Clausen......Notre Dame is the most hated football program in America, period. They are the Duke of the gridiron. Automatically, you hate Clausen because he went to Notre Dame, just like you hated J.J. Reddick because he went to Duke. If you want to make an analysis as objective and professional as possible, then you need to cut the crap and get over the Notre Dame hate if you have it - and a lot of that is out there.......

Maybe you don't like Clausen because of the blond, spiky hair, or the limo appearance he had when he was a senior in high school to declare for Notre Dame. These aren't "low profile" characteristics and automatically, you might have disliked him. For whatever reasons you're down on Clausen, please put them in the back seat and have an open mind when reading this blog entry."

strong stuff...stats rarely lie

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Why do people think Clausen would be a good pick at 4. The dude is a second round caliber QB who will be drafted in the first round because its such a weak QB class. Drafting Clausen at 4 would be the absolute worst possible way to use the pick. At 36, it would be a decent move.

Here's another link for you:

Mel Kiper: Jimmy Clausen jumps inside the top 5 in the pre-combine mock - ESPN

You and McShay are in the minority on this one.