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[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Certainly, it's hyperbole in one spot on the other. If Bradford really is as good as his strongest supporters advertised, he'd have some value right off the bat.

Agreed that his improvement curve will be a lot steeper than Okung's, as most QBs are compared to OTs, but QBs who are below replacement in their first two seasons tend not to improve to a point that would justify....that many 'greater than' signs?

My point is this: if we're not comfortable playing Bradford or Clausen right away, we're never actually going to be comfortable playing them. They might take some lumps early, but if they can't outplay Stafford and Sanchez from last year, they don't deserve to be high picks.

I guess that's my biggest wonder

can they do more than the people before them trusted to do the same job

at the same point it's not my job to figure that out.. so... yeah

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Certainly, it's hyperbole in one spot on the other. If Bradford really is as good as his strongest supporters advertised, he'd have some value right off the bat.

You know that most likely thats not the case with a rookie QB. Plus if we got Bradford he wouldn't even start as JC would likely be the teams starter.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Okung > Bradford/Clausen

This.

[MTK]

I don't think it's clear at all whether Bradford is a true franchise QB or not. I think once he has his pro day we'll clear some things up.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think it's clear at all whether Bradford is a true franchise QB or not. I think once he has his pro day we'll clear some things up.

Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Agree, still a big IF though he will be throwing in ideal conditions. Please go OL, OL.

I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.

Samuels was a great LT, but he was hardly the best for that whole 10 years. further, we had fewer draft picks and more overall turnover on our roster and coaching staff over those ten years than most other teams have. Football is a TEAM sport. As such, with rare exceptions (peyton manning), one player isnt going to make that big of a difference. Having one great player - at any position, QB, LT, or whatever, doesnt mean jack.

IF there was a sure-fire, cant miss, peyton manning 2.0-type QB in this years draft, then by all means, we should draft him. However, there simply arent any QBs like that in this draft class. Similarly, Okung looks great, but he's hardly the best OT to enter the draft in 10 years or anything like that. Given that we have a team full of holes, the best thing we can do (other than trade down) is pick the best possible player who's there at 4. One thing is for certain, if the Rams take Bradford, Okung, McCoy, or Suh will be on the board at 4. Those are the best 3 players in the draft - by far. Fortunately for us, any one of those guys would fill a need on the team. We really can't go wrong if we pick one of those 3. In the long-term, thats what will help the team the most - picking the best player available.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

I will say it again, we had the best LT in football for 10 years. Where did it get us. Both LT's for the superbowl champs can be got for a second round tender and nobody on this board thinks Bushrod(Saints LT) or Johnson(Colts LT) are worth it. Apparently, its the QB that really matters.

Samuels was never the best tackle in the conference let alone the NFL. I understand your point though.

[53Fan]

Apparently the team that drafts Bradford will win the next 12 SB's and the other 31 teams won't stand a chance.

[diehardskin2982]

I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster.

I agree. the best thing we can do is feign sincere interest in Bradford, McCoy, Suh, Okung, Berry, Clausen, etc. to increase the likelyhood of finding a trading partner. This is a very deep draft and it would benefit us to accumulate as many picks in rounds 1-3 as possible.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I think at this point the redskins are looking to trade down. After seeing their approach to free agency they will need the additional picks to fill holes on the roster.

You hit the nail on the head, and I trust our newly constructed FO is not paying attention to the mock's, except those that having us drafting a big man if we stay at #4. Now if Vinny were still here he would draft whomever the fans wanted. He got lucky last year.

[12thMan]

I think when comparing Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer, you have to take into consideration that Levi joined us late October of last year and it took time to acclimate to the system. That and he really wasn't in football shape. This time around, with a full training camp under his belt and a little more resolve mind you, I think we're going to see a better all around tackle. That's my hope at least.

In an all around head-to-head, you have to account for that and I'd still give the edge to Levi Jones, by the way.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think when comparing Levi Jones and Stephon Heyer, you have to take into consideration that Levi joined us late October of last year and it took time to acclimate to the system. That and he really wasn't in football shape. This time around, with a full training camp under his belt and a little more resolve mind you, I think we're going to see a better all around tackle. That's my hope at least.

In an all around head-to-head, you have to account for that and I'd still give the edge to Levi Jones, by the way.

we havent resigned him, have we?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

we havent resigned him, have we?

No, he wants more money, and he is in the same kind of situation as last year when Cinci brought in a rookie LT. I don't think he signs here without a) more money, and b) at the very least the promise he gets to compete for the starting LT job, and I really thinks he wants to be promised the starting job, which I doubt happens. Thus, I doubt he ends up in a Skins uniform. At this point, I am ok with that.