Bradford/Clausen now split among Mock Drafts

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Jets offensive line could make YOU look like a good QB if you play behind them.

No, and they couldn't make Campbell either...by the way Russell Okung from Oklahoma State has been getting strong comparisons to D'Brickashaw Ferguson, would that be a good enough OLineman for a Zone blocking shanahan offense?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

No, and they couldn't make Campbell either...by the way Russell Okung from Oklahoma State has been getting strong comparisons to D'Brickashaw Ferguson, would that be a good enough OLineman for a Zone blocking shanahan offense?

Really? How are you so sure? Okung is the best tackle out there, and even we don't draft Okung, Davis could be another option. You do know that Left Tackle is right up there with QB as one the most important positions for a team, and one that is worth drafting in the top 5?

Are you so obsessed with Bradford that you would pass on the best tackle of the draft? In case you haven't noticed, the last time the Redskins drafted a first round tackle, I think it worked out fine.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

No, and they couldn't make Campbell either...by the way Russell Okung from Oklahoma State has been getting strong comparisons to D'Brickashaw Ferguson, would that be a good enough OLineman for a Zone blocking shanahan offense?

Sanchez threw 20 INTs behind the best line in the NFL and with only having to throw 10-15 times a game.

Campbell threw half that many behind the worst line in the league and being relied on completely because we were always losing and couldn't run the ball.

Switch places and Campbell would have been a Pro Bowler easily and Sanchez would be a vegetable after Week 8's 35th INT.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

Sanchez threw 20 INTs behind the best line in the NFL and with only having to throw 10-15 times a game.

Campbell threw half that many behind the worst line in the league and being relied on completely because we were always losing and couldn't run the ball.

Switch places and Campbell would have been a Pro Bowler easily and Sanchez would be a vegetable after Week 8's 35th INT.

The Bradford camp doesn't believe in offensive lines. They just get in the way of QBs.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The Bradford camp doesn't believe in offensive lines. They just get in the way of QBs.

You're right. You're 100% right. I'm really hoping we don't make any trades, don't sign any free agents, simply skip out on making any other selections during the draft and that we just pick Bradford at #4 and go home. It would totally piss me off if we sign Ben Hamilton as a FA, draft an LT like Brown, Campbell, or Fox at the top of the 2nd round, trade into the 3rd and pick up an RT like Calloway, spend a 4th on an interior lineman...that would really grind my gears. Because all I want is Sam Bradford and nothing else. After all, the off-season is all about the 1st round pick and nothing else, isn't it?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're right. You're 100% right. I'm really hoping we don't make any trades, don't sign any free agents, simply skip out on making any other selections during the draft and that we just pick Bradford at #4 and go home. It would totally piss me off if we sign Ben Hamilton as a FA, draft an LT like Brown, Campbell, or Fox at the top of the 2nd round, trade into the 3rd and pick up an RT like Calloway, spend a 4th on an interior lineman...that would really grind my gears. Because all I want is Sam Bradford and nothing else. After all, the off-season is all about the 1st round pick and nothing else, isn't it?

Yeah, but they could also pick up Okung with the #4, and a solid RT with #2 or in the later rounds, and you have your tackles for the next 10 years (if everything works out).

While I get what you are doing, you're one of the few people in the Bradford camp that actually makes an argument on how to build the line and drafting Bradford, without saying "Shanahan is know to build offensive lines with just about anyone."

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah, but they could also pick up Okung with the #4, and a solid RT with #2 or in the later rounds, and you have your tackles for the next 10 years (if everything works out).

While I get what you are doing, you're one of the few people in the Bradford camp that actually makes an argument on how to build the line and drafting Bradford, without saying "Shanahan is know to build offensive lines with just about anyone."

I agree with you about that reasoning. We keep hearing that Shanahan can turn any lineman (or back) into a solid performer. If that were true, Denver would have been #1 in offense every single year. I'm willing to give Shanahan somewhat of a pass in respect to his expertise but the "he can turn anyone..." arguments are dangerous and mistaken.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah, but they could also pick up Okung with the #4, and a solid RT with #2 or in the later rounds, and you have your tackles for the next 10 years (if everything works out).

When do we get the elite QB to get us to a SB contention level? If we get the OL this draft and our D performs in the top half of the league, we're a .500 team. It's extremely unlikey an elite QB hits FA. If we're at .500 we're picking in the 14-18 range, no elite QB prospects there for 2011. So do we continue to have average QB play and try to build a dominant D and run game (Ravens/Jets/2000 Ravens/2002 Bucs)? How do we get past .500 to SB contention level without an elite QB?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

When do we get the elite QB to get us to a SB contention level? If we get the OL this draft and our D performs in the top half of the league, we're a .500 team. It's extremely unlikey an elite QB hits FA. If we're at .500 we're picking in the 14-18 range, no elite QB prospects there for 2011. So do we continue to have average QB play and try to build a dominant D and run game (Ravens/Jets/2000 Ravens/2002 Bucs)? How do we get past .500 to SB contention level without an elite QB?

So you're banking on the fact that Bradford is the sure thing? Even if he's elite, but our offensive line sucks because all we got were old UFAs and low-round picks to build the worst offensive line from 2009, what's not to say that Bradford doesn't become the next David Carr? We're back to square one with the same QB and offensive line problems. If you want your elite QB so bad, in 2011, after building the offensive line with Okung or Davis, you can trade up from the mid-first round to get your elite QB. Hell,you can probably even play him right away the way Baltimore and the Jets have done with their rookie QBs.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

When do we get the elite QB to get us to a SB contention level? If we get the OL this draft and our D performs in the top half of the league, we're a .500 team. It's extremely unlikey an elite QB hits FA. If we're at .500 we're picking in the 14-18 range, no elite QB prospects there for 2011. So do we continue to have average QB play and try to build a dominant D and run game (Ravens/Jets/2000 Ravens/2002 Bucs)? How do we get past .500 to SB contention level without an elite QB?

An elite offense player at ANY position, quarterback or anywhere else, probably gets us past .500.

And again, if there's an elite quarterback in this draft, someone with the ideal height, arm, accuracy, mental makeup, and college production, my methods certainly aren't good enough to find him. Bradford, I think, is the one guy who even passes the smell test, but even then, I wouldn't spend a top pick on a guy who I haven't seen deliver the ball under duress in college.

We should at least try to draft an elite offensive player at No. 4. Saying that we need a franchise qb (whatever the heck that is) shrinks the possible talent pool by 80-90 percent. We need way to much help to limit the search to one position. And I'd use the same argument for the OT...except that Davis and Okung come ahead of any RB or WR or QB on most boards. I think there's a general consensus that the three highest rated players (as opposed to best prospects) are some combination of Davis, Okung, and Bradford.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

When do we get the elite QB to get us to a SB contention level? If we get the OL this draft and our D performs in the top half of the league, we're a .500 team. It's extremely unlikey an elite QB hits FA. If we're at .500 we're picking in the 14-18 range, no elite QB prospects there for 2011. So do we continue to have average QB play and try to build a dominant D and run game (Ravens/Jets/2000 Ravens/2002 Bucs)? How do we get past .500 to SB contention level without an elite QB?

You don't is the answer. Look at the super bowl winners since the skins last won in 1991. All but like 2 of the super bowls were won by a team with an elite QB. That timeframe is also the start of the free agency era of the NFL. In the era of free agency all the teams have holes and no position covers up more holes then a great QB. If Shanahaan thinks one of these QB's is franchise material then they need to draft him no matter what else is available.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Yeah, but they could also pick up Okung with the #4, and a solid RT with #2 or in the later rounds, and you have your tackles for the next 10 years (if everything works out).

While I get what you are doing, you're one of the few people in the Bradford camp that actually makes an argument on how to build the line and drafting Bradford, without saying "Shanahan is know to build offensive lines with just about anyone."

It seems that most people making the argument of a QB are saying the same thing as Smoot

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You're right. You're 100% right. I'm really hoping we don't make any trades, don't sign any free agents, simply skip out on making any other selections during the draft and that we just pick Bradford at #4 and go home. It would totally piss me off if we sign Ben Hamilton as a FA, draft an LT like Brown, Campbell, or Fox at the top of the 2nd round, trade into the 3rd and pick up an RT like Calloway, spend a 4th on an interior lineman...that would really grind my gears. Because all I want is Sam Bradford and nothing else. After all, the off-season is all about the 1st round pick and nothing else, isn't it?

Excellent point SS. People keep treating the #4 pick like it is the only opportunity that we have to upgrade the team, when in fact it is just one opportunity (if a good one) among many.