ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[MTK]

How about JC for a 3rd and 4th? I would probably go for that.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about JC for a 3rd and 4th? I would probably go for that.

I really think he ought to have a higher market than that, but if that was the best offer out there, AND, we knew we would get Shanny's choice of QB in the draft, then those picks would come in nice to fill out some position depth. Along those same lines what about this year and next year's 3rd for JC. The value is about the same, but might get a nice player with the extra 3rd next year.

- sidenote -
I am still really excited to see how this new draft format plays out, I think Friday between the first and second/third rounds will have the potential for a lot of wheeling and dealing to get our draft board set up for Friday night and Saturday.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really think he ought to have a higher market than that, but if that was the best offer out there, AND, we knew we would get Shanny's choice of QB in the draft, then those picks would come in nice to fill out some position depth. Along those same lines what about this year and next year's 3rd for JC. The value is about the same, but might get a nice player with the extra 3rd next year.

- sidenote -
I am still really excited to see how this new draft format plays out, I think Friday between the first and second/third rounds will have the potential for a lot of wheeling and dealing to get our draft board set up for Friday night and Saturday.

The possibility is there to see more trades than we've seen in awhile. I don't think I'd settle for less than a 2nd and 4th for JC.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really think he ought to have a higher market than that, but if that was the best offer out there, AND, we knew we would get Shanny's choice of QB in the draft, then those picks would come in nice to fill out some position depth. Along those same lines what about this year and next year's 3rd for JC. The value is about the same, but might get a nice player with the extra 3rd next year.

- sidenote -
I am still really excited to see how this new draft format plays out, I think Friday between the first and second/third rounds will have the potential for a lot of wheeling and dealing to get our draft board set up for Friday night and Saturday.

omg we need all of the linemen we can get guys should love something like this, but they're typically the ones that want campbell back no matter what

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

How about JC for a 3rd and 4th? I would probably go for that.

I was thinking the following trade if it was offered.

Redskins give up:
Jason Campbell, 2011 3rd Rounder, 2010 4th Rounder

Redskins get:
2010 2nd Rounder

I personally don't see anyone giving a straight up 2nd round pick for JC. We'd probably have to sweeten the pot. Still the idea of relying on a rookie QB so soon makes me nervous. We would possibly have to look at veterans to start in the meantime. This type of trade would be really useful especially if it was with the Rams.

I've recently started to scale back on my support for JC (which is constantly on a roller coaster). However in reading something like this I can't help but think that we really won't be that much better:

2009 Season Outlook
It's unfair to judge Garrard too harshly for his 2008 numbers. The interior of the Jacksonville offensive line, previously a strength, was pummeled by injury early in the season, leading Garrard to the ignominious crown of most knocked-down quarterback of the year. Despite the heat, Garrard managed a decent completion percentage (61.1) and finished 10th in the NFL in passing yards. The Jags have concerns at tackle for '09 but did use their first two picks on Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton, and they should rely heavily on those rookies. But unless Torry Holt finds the Fountain of Youth or another receiver steps up, Garrard won't be a fantasy starter. However, he's a heady decision-maker and could lead the league in rush yards by a quarterback. He's a bye-week quarterback with a high ceiling.

I mean to me Campbell seems a lot like Garrard and with that said I see us going only so far with JC at QB. Funny thing though is if we draft Jimmy Clausen our QB will still be JC.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I was thinking the following trade if it was offered.

Redskins give up:
Jason Campbell, 2011 3rd Rounder, 2010 4th Rounder

Redskins get:
2010 2nd Rounder

In my opinion, the skins would be ROYALLY screwed over in that trade. Since we don't know the exact position of the 2nd round pick we would be receiving or the position of the skins picks in 2011, its really hard to nail down how much either of those picks are worth. But just as an example, lets say both picks were in the middle of their respective rounds. Here's how your trade would look in the draft value chart:

Redskins give up:

1) Jason Campbell

2) 2011 3rd rounder, valued as a 2010 2nd rounder (midgrade), 48th overall - 420 pts.

3) 2010 4th rounder - 100 pts.

Redskins get:
2010 2nd rounder, 48th overall - 420 pts

So basically, for the trade to be "fair," you think Jason Campbell would be worth NEGATIVE 100 points on the draft value chart.

Lets make a more realistic scenario for us

1) We traded with the Rams, who have the first pick in the 2nd round,
2) the Skins end 2010 in the middle of the pack, and end up with the 16th pick in each round of the 2011 draft. For trading purposes, our 2011 3rd rounder is the equivalent to the last pick in the 2nd round of this years draft, your trade works out this way:

Redskins give up:
1) Jason Campbell
2) 2011 3rd round pick, valued at 2010 2nd round pick, 48th overall, 420 points.
3) 2010 4th round pick - 100 pts

Redskins get:
Rams 2010 2nd round pick, 33rd overall, 580 points

In that "realistic" scenario, youre essentially saying that Jason Campbell, generally agreed to be somewhere between the 15th and 25th best QB in the league, is worth only 60 points on the draft value chart. the 21st pick in the 4th round of the draft (117th overall) is worth 60 points. In a year where there's not a single free agent QB worth mentioning. Do you really think Campbell is that horrible of a QB? Its even worse than what Sage Rosenfelds was traded for.

I'm not a Campbell fan by any means, but he's easily worth a low 2nd rounder - high 3rd rounder.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm not a Campbell fan by any means, but he's easily worth a low 2nd rounder - high 3rd rounder.

Teams don't use that draft chart nearly as much as people think. Look at all the picks that Eli Manning cost the Giants. Then look at Randy Moss being trade for a 4th round pick. Just because Campbell might be worth a 2nd rounder doesn't mean we'll get that for him. If you trade him straight up you probably get an early third round pick if you're lucky which isn't worth trading him in my mind. I'd rather have the first pick in the second round (which is in essence a first round pick) and the 5th pick in the second in exchange for a QB that will most likely be gone after this year.

However you're crazy to think that we'd just get away with a second round pick for Campbell at this point. If that happens I'll be the first to apologize but that rarely happens. Teams have seen to much of Campbell to just trade him for a second round pick.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I was thinking the following trade if it was offered.

Redskins give up:
Jason Campbell, 2011 3rd Rounder, 2010 4th Rounder

Redskins get:
2010 2nd Rounder

I personally don't see anyone giving a straight up 2nd round pick for JC. We'd probably have to sweeten the pot. Still the idea of relying on a rookie QB so soon makes me nervous. We would possibly have to look at veterans to start in the meantime. This type of trade would be really useful especially if it was with the Rams.

I've recently started to scale back on my support for JC (which is constantly on a roller coaster). However in reading something like this I can't help but think that we really won't be that much better:



I mean to me Campbell seems a lot like Garrard and with that said I see us going only so far with JC at QB. Funny thing though is if we draft Jimmy Clausen our QB will still be JC.

that sounds like a horrible deal for us