ESPN: Clayton Expects Skins to Tender Campbell for a 1st and 3rd

[Lotus]

^^ I'm not the world's greatest JC fan. But you guys are seriously undervaluing JC with your trade proposals. A 3rd rounder for a QB with a lifetime passer rating in the 80's and with significant starting experience? Some other team will value him eventually. We should hang on to him until we get that high value.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^^ I'm not the world's greatest JC fan. But you guys are seriously undervaluing JC with your trade proposals. A 3rd rounder for a QB with a lifetime passer rating in the 80's and with significant starting experience? Some other team will value him eventually. We should hang on to him until we get that high value.

That's why we were able to trade him away last year for a 2nd right?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

That's why we were able to trade him away last year for a 2nd right?

Even if that rumor about a number 2 pick were true, remember who was shopping for the Redskins groceries then. Other GM's may have perceived Vinny as "fleece-able."

[irish]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

That's why we were able to trade him away last year for a 2nd right?

That was last year before he had another year of making the same old mistakes he always makes and didnt really develop. I think the SKins would be very lucky to get a team to take JC off their hands and give them something of value in return.

[#56fanatic]

I was thinking (watch out) Why would the Redskins want Jason to mentor a young rookie QB? They have been trying to get him out of town for the last couple of years. If you think the guy is that bad, why the hell have him teach/mentor a rookie. Only time you do that is when the VET QB is on his way out of the league, and is pretty good. Personally, I think Jason can win in the league if given an offensive line that isn't a swinging gate on both ends, and a running game that isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I just thought that was funny, saying they wanted Campbell around to help the young QB....Isn't Campbell still considered young at 25 or 26??

[irish]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I was thinking (watch out) Why would the Redskins want Jason to mentor a young rookie QB? They have been trying to get him out of town for the last couple of years. If you think the guy is that bad, why the hell have him teach/mentor a rookie. Only time you do that is when the VET QB is on his way out of the league, and is pretty good. Personally, I think Jason can win in the league if given an offensive line that isn't a swinging gate on both ends, and a running game that isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I just thought that was funny, saying they wanted Campbell around to help the young QB....Isn't Campbell still considered young at 25 or 26??

I couldnt agree more. You dont let JC get anywhere near your young 1st round pick QB.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by irish

I couldnt agree more. You dont let JC get anywhere near your young 1st round pick QB.

I'm with you there. Jason's got enough problems of his own, he's not the type of guy I would want mentoring anyone. For that reason, I think we either keep Campbell and develop him OR we draft a 1st round QB. We don't do both. If we are planning on drafting a first round QB, we need to move Campbell and then pickup Jake Plummer to start in 2010 and mentor the young guy.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm with you there. Jason's got enough problems of his own, he's not the type of guy I would want mentoring anyone. For that reason, I think we either keep Campbell and develop him OR we draft a 1st round QB. We don't do both. If we are planning on drafting a first round QB, we need to move Campbell and then pickup Jake Plummer to start in 2010 and mentor the young guy.

Say what? Pickup Jake Plummer as a mentor?

[irish]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm with you there. Jason's got enough problems of his own, he's not the type of guy I would want mentoring anyone. For that reason, I think we either keep Campbell and develop him OR we draft a 1st round QB. We don't do both. If we are planning on drafting a first round QB, we need to move Campbell and then pickup Jake Plummer to start in 2010 and mentor the young guy.

The young guy comes in and starts the 1st game this fall. Other rookies have done it and so can he.

This idea of sitting around and watching just doesnt work. Either Gibbs saw right away that JC didnt have it and made excuses for sitting him or was truthful and sat him to develop. Either way I dont think all that sitting around did JC any good.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I was thinking (watch out) Why would the Redskins want Jason to mentor a young rookie QB? They have been trying to get him out of town for the last couple of years. If you think the guy is that bad, why the hell have him teach/mentor a rookie. Only time you do that is when the VET QB is on his way out of the league, and is pretty good. Personally, I think Jason can win in the league if given an offensive line that isn't a swinging gate on both ends, and a running game that isn't 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

I just thought that was funny, saying they wanted Campbell around to help the young QB....Isn't Campbell still considered young at 25 or 26??

Jason is 29 years old unless i am mistaken, because he will turn 30 during the season this year....

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Jason is 29 years old unless i am mistaken, because he will turn 30 during the season this year....

He's actually 28, he'll be 29 at the end of the year (Dec 31st).

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^^ I'm not the world's greatest JC fan. But you guys are seriously undervaluing JC with your trade proposals. A 3rd rounder for a QB with a lifetime passer rating in the 80's and with significant starting experience? Some other team will value him eventually. We should hang on to him until we get that high value.

Are you talking to me or BHA? I mean I know I sort of endorsed BHA's 3rd round proposal but I had a different scenario. Ironically though I believe the QB's that fetch second round picks are either truly seasoned veterans (who usually get traded away for much higher a la Jay Cutler), smart teams dealing with dumb teams (Eagles getting AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick from Miami), or guys that have shown flashes (Matt Schuab and Matt Cassel).

Cassel was part of an 11-5 Patriots team (11-4 in games Cassel started) and that was pretty much his only year playing. Matt Schuab lit teams up in the preseason and then played well when given a chance during the regular season. However at the same time there was a sort of mystery. It's the same reason why guys that are valued as top picks (like Matt Leinart and Jakim Noah in the NBA) then go on to drop a few spots the following year.

It's sad but the more time scouts have to dissect a player the lower their value, well more so when they're initially valued high. Obviously we have guys every year that are valued as 3rd or 4th round picks during preseason only to end up as 1st round picks by the time the draft roles around.

Could JC fetch a 2nd round pick? Possibly but I really think teams are scared by the fact that he has a relatively large body of work and only so much to show for it. But hey you never know. All we need is to get a call from Al Davis or Ralph Wilson and we're raking in the picks.

On second thought if we can convince Jason to change his first name to Matt then I think we could grantee a second round pick for Campbell. In short Matt Campbell is worth more then Jason Campbell.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Are you talking to me or BHA? I mean I know I sort of endorsed BHA's 3rd round proposal but I had a different scenario. Ironically though I believe the QB's that fetch second round picks are either truly seasoned veterans (who usually get traded away for much higher a la Jay Cutler), smart teams dealing with dumb teams (Eagles getting AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick from Miami), or guys that have shown flashes (Matt Schuab and Matt Cassel).

Cassel was part of an 11-5 Patriots team (11-4 in games Cassel started) and that was pretty much his only year playing. Matt Schuab lit teams up in the preseason and then played well when given a chance during the regular season. However at the same time there was a sort of mystery. It's the same reason why guys that are valued as top picks (like Matt Leinart and Jakim Noah in the NBA) then go on to drop a few spots the following year.

It's sad but the more time scouts have to dissect a player the lower their value, well more so when they're initially valued high. Obviously we have guys every year that are valued as 3rd or 4th round picks during preseason only to end up as 1st round picks by the time the draft roles around.

Could JC fetch a 2nd round pick? Possibly but I really think teams are scared by the fact that he has a relatively large body of work and only so much to show for it. But hey you never know. All we need is to get a call from Al Davis or Ralph Wilson and we're raking in the picks.

On second thought if we can convince Jason to change his first name to Matt then I think we could grantee a second round pick for Campbell. In short Matt Campbell is worth more then Jason Campbell.

1) JC is a "truly seasoned veteran." And he has "shown flashes." Sooner or later there will be a personnel guy out there who thinks that JC unfairly has been mismanaged and/or has underachieved due to his offensive line.

2) Your example of Feely is a good one. He attracted a #2 pick. Hold out long enough and someone will offer that for JC (someone like Al Davis or Ralph Wilson, as you mention).

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Are you talking to me or BHA? I mean I know I sort of endorsed BHA's 3rd round proposal but I had a different scenario. Ironically though I believe the QB's that fetch second round picks are either truly seasoned veterans (who usually get traded away for much higher a la Jay Cutler), smart teams dealing with dumb teams (Eagles getting AJ Feely for a 2nd round pick from Miami), or guys that have shown flashes (Matt Schuab and Matt Cassel).

Cassel was part of an 11-5 Patriots team (11-4 in games Cassel started) and that was pretty much his only year playing. Matt Schuab lit teams up in the preseason and then played well when given a chance during the regular season. However at the same time there was a sort of mystery. It's the same reason why guys that are valued as top picks (like Matt Leinart and Jakim Noah in the NBA) then go on to drop a few spots the following year.

It's sad but the more time scouts have to dissect a player the lower their value, well more so when they're initially valued high. Obviously we have guys every year that are valued as 3rd or 4th round picks during preseason only to end up as 1st round picks by the time the draft roles around.

Could JC fetch a 2nd round pick? Possibly but I really think teams are scared by the fact that he has a relatively large body of work and only so much to show for it. But hey you never know. All we need is to get a call from Al Davis or Ralph Wilson and we're raking in the picks.

On second thought if we can convince Jason to change his first name to Matt then I think we could grantee a second round pick for Campbell. In short Matt Campbell is worth more then Jason Campbell.

I will be interested to see what the market bears out for JC, if we ever do. I understand the points you make, and generally agree that the book on JC has basically been written, but I can't help but think there is a team out there, who will look at him, look at the mess that has been the Redskins, and decide to give this guy a shot. I don't think a 2nd round pick for a solid starter is that over the top.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^^ I'm not the world's greatest JC fan. But you guys are seriously undervaluing JC with your trade proposals. A 3rd rounder for a QB with a lifetime passer rating in the 80's and with significant starting experience? Some other team will value him eventually. We should hang on to him until we get that high value.

Lotus I think JC's value has been way higher within the franchise than elsewhere in the league. Hard to tell if that's the case now w/ Shanahan/Allen in the driver's seat. But I doubt very much they expect a valuable trade for Jason alone...whenever the franchise shopped him in the past in basically amounted to zero interest for him. In fact I think the only way he gets traded is part of a larger deal.

Also man look at where Jason could have "connections?" Zorn is working w/ a well established QB/offense. Gibbs only connection is to DC. Where is Saunders? Jason just doesn't have a lot of leads to look for.

I said it a couple weeks ago and think about it more and more...I could see JC out of the league completely soon if Shanny dumps him. Jason sees himself far better than basically everyone else does (who matters in the NFL...sorry GTripp ).