93 MEGA Mock Munch: Suh Consensus choice, Bradford leads to Redskins

[MTK]

I heard an interview with Bradford on NFL radio yesterday and he sounds like a good kid. Smart, good work ethic, sounds like he knows what it's going to take to make it at the next level.

Question for the college gurus, if his shoulder wasn't a concern, how would that change your opinion of him?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I heard an interview with Bradford on NFL radio yesterday and he sounds like a good kid. Smart, good work ethic, sounds like he knows what it's going to take to make it at the next level.

Question for the college gurus, if his shoulder wasn't a concern, how would that change your opinion of him?

I don't know if I've leveled-up to guru status , but for me his shoulder isn't a major concern in my eval of him. I'm more concerned that he was in the spread, making a high percentage of under 10yd throws, playing for a team that talent wise was pretty much head and shoulders above its competition, and throwing to wide open WRs with 7-8 seconds to throw.....plus QBs from Bob Stoops system have not fared well in the NFL.

None of those issues are a knock on him, just a product of the team/offensive system. I think to get a more accurate eval of him you need to look at the championship with UF and you see some good/some bad. I don't think he's going to be a bust, but I don't think he projects to an elite QB in the NFL. His transition will likely take a bit longer than Clausen. I wouldn't spend the #4 overall pick on him. If Clausen's gone, then I go LT.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I don't know if I've leveled-up to guru status , but for me his shoulder isn't a major concern in my eval of him. I'm more concerned that he was in the spread, making a high percentage of under 10yd throws, playing for a team that talent wise was pretty much head and shoulders above its competition, and throwing to wide open WRs with 7-8 seconds to throw.....plus QBs from Bob Stoops system have not fared well in the NFL.

None of those issues are a knock on him, just a product of the team/offensive system. I think to get a more accurate eval of him you need to look at the championship with UF and you see some good/some bad. I don't think he's going to be a bust, but I don't think he projects to an elite QB in the NFL. His transition will likely take a bit longer than Clausen. I wouldn't spend the #4 overall pick on him. If Clausen's gone, then I go LT.

I completely agree.
I feel the same way about Clausen and McCoy. Neither of the big three QB's are #4 pick in the draft/franchise QB worthy. You are taking a big gamble.
I remember seeing Ben Roethlisburger playing at little Miami of Ohio and seeing him as legit future NFL star. He made his team better and they beat/upset several bigger teams.
When I have seen Bradford or Clausen play against even talent or lesser talented teams they did not impress me.
I do not want us to spend the #4 pick on any three of the QB's. They will be good NFL QB's but they will not be great.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I completely agree.
I feel the same way about Clausen and McCoy. Neither of the big three QB's are #4 pick in the draft/franchise QB worthy. You are taking a big gamble.
I remember seeing Ben Roethlisburger playing at little Miami of Ohio and seeing him as legit future NFL star. He made his team better and they beat/upset several bigger teams.
When I have seen Bradford or Clausen play against even talent or lesser talented teams they did not impress me.
I do not want us to spend the #4 pick on any three of the QB's. They will be good NFL QB's but they will not be great.

People were saying the same thing before the draft about Ryan and Flacco. All I know is that all three QB's are smart guys. I personally love the fact that Clausen is a film rat. Usually you'll see the best QB's are the one that study the most. It's a mental position much more so then it is a physical one. Thats why guys with questionable arm strength can't light the world on fire.

And on a side note, given that Clausen and Quinn seemed to be compared to each other a lot, the thing I keep hearing about Quinn is that he spends much more time in the gym then he does studying film.

Though out of curiosity I'd like to know for the people that aren't convinced that these guys aren't top teir QB types as to what you would need to find out to change your mind? Like more arm strength, clean bill of health, better stats?

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

People were saying the same thing before the draft about Ryan and Flacco. All I know is that all three QB's are smart guys. I personally love the fact that Clausen is a film rat. Usually you'll see the best QB's are the one that study the most. It's a mental position much more so then it is a physical one. Thats why guys with questionable arm strength can't light the world on fire.

And on a side note, given that Clausen and Quinn seemed to be compared to each other a lot, the thing I keep hearing about Quinn is that he spends much more time in the gym then he does studying film.

Though out of curiosity I'd like to know for the people that aren't convinced that these guys aren't top teir QB types as to what you would need to find out to change your mind? Like more arm strength, clean bill of health, better stats?

For me personally, it is not something I need to find out about them that will convince me. It is more of a "I know it when I see it' situation and I am referring in particular to 'seeing it' on the playing field. These three did not wow me in college with their pure Qb skills like Ben Roelisburger did. They are great leaders and field managers, and very good college Qb's. But it will not translate to being an elite NFL QB or worthy of a #4 draft pick.
Now I will admit have not seen every game they have played in and I know they have had great college careers. But in what I have seen of them on a playing field, I have not seen it consistently to be convinced they are elite Qb's ready for the NFL. IMO they will be good NFl Qb's but they not be elite QB's in the NFL.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

For me personally, it is not something I need to find out about them that will convince me. It is more of a "I know it when I see it' situation and I am referring in particular to 'seeing it' on the playing field. These three did not wow me in college with their pure Qb skills like Ben Roelisburger did. They are great leaders and field managers, and very good college Qb's. But it will not translate to being an elite NFL QB or worthy of a #4 draft pick.
Now I will admit have not seen every game they have played in and I know they have had great college careers. But in what I have seen of them on a playing field, I have not seen it consistently to be convinced they are elite Qb's ready for the NFL. IMO they will be good NFl Qb's but they not be elite QB's in the NFL.

When you draft a QB in the 1st rd. especially as high as #4 you don't want to miss, when you do it set's you back tremendously, this year in particular because of so much uncertainly surrounding the eventual outcome of a new CBA. Bradford and Clausen are undoubtedly fine young prospects but either could be a reach at #4. My concern in this years draft is protecting the QB regardless of who it is.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I heard an interview with Bradford on NFL radio yesterday and he sounds like a good kid. Smart, good work ethic, sounds like he knows what it's going to take to make it at the next level.

Question for the college gurus, if his shoulder wasn't a concern, how would that change your opinion of him?

My big thing is could he still excel when he will no longer have th e advantage of having a stacked team playing opponents of markedly inferior quality for a 16 game schedule? The shoulder thing concerns me of course, but my biggest concern is can the kid handle it when the odds are even most Sundays?

[GusFrerotte]

Both my and Slingin Sammies question is why I say go for Dan Levefour, Stull, Pike, Kafka, Canfield, Elliot, Sheehan, or even Elliot from Purdue. The guys you really should look for are the guys that were in a system most like Shanny's and always played competition that was about the same or even better than the QB's team. I really hope we get one of the above mentioned guys. They had good stats and didn't come from any big powerhouse teams, so they could better handle getting "roughed up".