Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Lets see... the Falcons did pretty well throwing a Rook into the fire as did Detroit, Baltimore, and the Jets. I too believe stats aren't everything. I believe there is more JC then his excellent stats people keep refering to. Yes he's "Safe" with the ball. Safe doesn't mean he is connecting with his receivers all the time, it simply means he's not fumbling, or throwing interceptions. JC got around the latter by throwing the ball out of bounds so no one could get it or throwing a dirt ball.

What it doesn't speak to is his failure to read defenses and adjust his protection, get through his progressions fast enough, failure to finess the ball in some situations (it's not all about drilling the ball with power), and accuracy (too many balls behind the receivers or over thrown).

But since he was a starter for a few yrs I'd think we would get a low 1st round out of him or 2nd round. I'd settle for a 2nd round but you have to go with what the market will give or keep him. If a 3rd and a 5th is all we can get then either cut Collins and keep JC as our Vet or take the trade.

I don't want to get into another JC argument, but once again people like you that point flaws at just the QB drive me insane.

Campbell has his flaws, but he's not the turd that some fans make him out to be....JaMarcus Russell, now there's a turd that's worth nothing. If there's a good trade opportunity, then the team should take it....if not, keep JC, if not, then keep him until whatever rook we pick up is ready to take the reins.

Even Shanahan did not throw Cutler into the fire right away, and I don't think he should throw a Bradford or Clausen into the fire right away. We have a terrible line that it will be rebuilt (hopefully), but it will be unproven once the 2010 season begins. That alone should be the reason why you don't want your priced #4 draft pick rookie behind center on day 1.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't want to get into another JC argument, but once again people like you that point flaws at just the QB drive me insane.

Campbell has his flaws, but he's not the turd that some fans make him out to be....JaMarcus Russell, now there's a turd that's worth nothing. If there's a good trade opportunity, then the team should take it....if not, keep JC, if not, then keep him until whatever rook we pick up is ready to take the reins.

Even Shanahan did not throw Cutler into the fire right away, and I don't think he should throw a Bradford or Clausen into the fire right away. We have a terrible line that it will be rebuilt (hopefully), but it will be unproven once the 2010 season begins. That alone should be the reason why you don't want your priced #4 draft pick rookie behind center on day 1.

I'm not a Russell fan. Yes he sucks. I don't think anyone would have picked him up but the Raiders cause Al Davis likes his players to be the fastes out of the draft. Forget skills.

I too agree we should keep JC. As much as I'm bashing him.... he is safe with the ball. I'd cut Collins and keep JC as our Vet. I see no other Vets out there that are better then him. Which means I'm making him a backup unless the Rookie QB needs time as you said. Dude I'm with on this. I just don't think JC is our Franchise QB and am ready to move on in the sense that we need to be looking for our Franchise QB. We simply can't keep saying after 6yrs "maybe JC will work out this yr". He's a great backup. Nothing more. Keep him cause if he's required to start the season or be backup and step into a game he will be safe with the ball and not be a screw up like some back ups.... ie; Collins.

I guarentee you just like Smootsmack has said Shanahan will not let the OL be mediocre. stop fretting. If nothing else know that Shanahan was know to have the best OL's in the NFL. He'll get what he needs. and as far as Rookie QB being thrown into the fire you oppinion and mine has always been one of the interesting debates among coach's. Some believe in throwing the Rookie in right away as the Falcons, Ravens, and Jets have and they had some success. Then there's the other side of the coin, look at Patrick Ramsey. Throwing a Rookie in with no protection will destroy the teams valuable draft pick. I totally agree. I guess I just have more faith in Shanahan fixing this cluster of an OL then other people.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm not a Russell fan. Yes he sucks. I don't think anyone would have picked him up but the Raiders cause Al Davis likes his players to be the fastes out of the draft. Forget skills.

I too agree we should keep JC. As much as I'm bashing him.... he is safe with the ball. I'd cut Collins and keep JC as our Vet. I see no other Vets out there that are better then him. Which means I'm making him a backup unless the Rookie QB needs time as you said. Dude I'm with on this. I just don't think JC is our Franchise QB and am ready to move on in the sense that we need to be looking for our Franchise QB. We simply can't keep saying after 6yrs "maybe JC will work out this yr". He's a great backup. Nothing more. Keep him cause if he's required to start the season or be backup and step into a game he will be safe with the ball and not be a screw up like some back ups.... ie; Collins.

I guarentee you just like Smootsmack has said Shanahan will not let the OL be mediocre. stop fretting. If nothing else know that Shanahan was know to have the best OL's in the NFL. He'll get what he needs. and as far as Rookie QB being thrown into the fire you oppinion and mine has always been one of the interesting debates among coach's. Some believe in throwing the Rookie in right away as the Falcons, Ravens, and Jets have and they had some success. Then there's the other side of the coin, look at Patrick Ramsey. Throwing a Rookie in with no protection will destroy the teams valuable draft pick. I totally agree. I guess I just have more faith in Shanahan fixing this cluster of an OL then other people.

As to first two points in bold, it's hard to say JC is "safe" with the ball. Sure two years ago he was hardly intercepted, but he barely threw any TDs either, and our offense as a whole was pretty awful. This past year he threw more INTs, and also fumbled a bunch. In fact, in 2009, he threw 15 picks and fumbled 13 times. There are worse starting QBs out there for sure, but he's not really "safe" with the ball. Full disclosure, I think he should be our day 1 starter this season.

As to the third point, I agree. Let's remember that as recently as two years ago, Mike Shanahan drafted Ryan Clady. He knows the OL is a priority for sure.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't want to get into another JC argument, but once again people like you that point flaws at just the QB drive me insane.

Campbell has his flaws, but he's not the turd that some fans make him out to be....JaMarcus Russell, now there's a turd that's worth nothing. If there's a good trade opportunity, then the team should take it....if not, keep JC, if not, then keep him until whatever rook we pick up is ready to take the reins.

Even Shanahan did not throw Cutler into the fire right away, and I don't think he should throw a Bradford or Clausen into the fire right away. We have a terrible line that it will be rebuilt (hopefully), but it will be unproven once the 2010 season begins. That alone should be the reason why you don't want your priced #4 draft pick rookie behind center on day 1.

It says a lot about JC when you are saying he's less of a turd than Russell. Talk about setting the bar low. You are right, I'll take JC over JR any day.