Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

Because he hasn't really done much. He will probably never be more then a pretty good player. Russell is worthless but why would JC be worth more then Derek Anderson? Anderson had a season a couple years ago that was better then anything JC has done. I don't want to completely trash JC but i just think it's time to move on and i would be thrilled to get a #3 pick in the process.

A pretty good player at the quarterback position though should grab more in a trade than a pretty good player at the defensive tackle position, for example.

I would propose that Campbell has had three better seasons than Anderson's best, but I'm probably overrating Campbell's 2007 in doing that (he had some talent around him that year, probably comparable to what Anderson had). Anderson more or less has three good games in his career, and those haven't weathered the test of time.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

A pretty good player at the quarterback position though should grab more in a trade than a pretty good player at the defensive tackle position, for example.

I would propose that Campbell has had three better seasons than Anderson's best, but I'm probably overrating Campbell's 2007 in doing that (he had some talent around him that year, probably comparable to what Anderson had). Anderson more or less has three good games in his career, and those haven't weathered the test of time.

I think we differ on what "pretty good" means. I see him as a game manager...I think he is a low end starter or a very good backup. I don't see him taking a team anywhere unless it is a great team that can win with a QB that doesn't make a lot of plays or mistakes. To me a 3rd round pick is pretty good for that type of player.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

I think we differ on what "pretty good" means. I see him as a game manager...I think he is a low end starter or a very good backup. I don't see him taking a team anywhere unless it is a great team that can win with a QB that doesn't make a lot of plays or mistakes. To me a 3rd round pick is pretty good for that type of player.

But, as everyone knows, backup QB's (outside of Jim Sorgi) often see important playing time and thus are important themselves. So, for example, Dallas traded a starting corner (Henry) to obtain a reliable backup QB (Kitna). A good backup QB is worth gold. If JC is at best a backup, he'd still be the best backup in the league. It would be a shame for us to lose the best backup QB in the league for only a 3rd round pick.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Lotus

But, as everyone knows, backup QB's (outside of Jim Sorgi) often see important playing time and thus are important themselves. So, for example, Dallas traded a starting corner (Henry) to obtain a reliable backup QB (Kitna). A good backup QB is worth gold. If JC is at best a backup, he'd still be the best backup in the league. It would be a shame for us to lose the best backup QB in the league for only a 3rd round pick.

I don't think Kitna or Henry are worth a 3rd round pick. But I am not disputing the value of a good backup QB either. However, I don't see any way that JC can be the backup on the Redskins. If JC is not going to be the starter for Shanahan then all involved will need a fresh start. He will not want to be the backup here and we do not need the distraction of having a player that dosn't want to be here.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by celts32

I don't think Kitna or Henry are worth a 3rd round pick. But I am not disputing the value of a good backup QB either. However, I don't see any way that JC can be the backup on the Redskins. If JC is not going to be the starter for Shanahan then all involved will need a fresh start. He will not want to be the backup here and we do not need the distraction of having a player that dosn't want to be here.

JC is going into this season as the starter and I'm sure in Shanny's eyes it would be his job to lose (even if we draft Bradford). If by halfway into the season, JC is the same guy as previous years, then Shanahan would pull him and insert the rook QB. If Campbell does well, then the rook QB sits.

I don't understand why people are so afraid of there being a "distraction" with Campbell here. All the drama last year was caused by Snyder and Cerrato, and their incompetence in trying to build a team by putting a "better" QB behind the POS line we had. Things are different now with Allen and Shanny in charge, and Campbell knows this would be his last shot at either staying on the team, or audition for the rest of the league.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

JC is going into this season as the starter and I'm sure in Shanny's eyes it would be his job to lose (even if we draft Bradford). If by halfway into the season, JC is the same guy as previous years, then Shanahan would pull him and insert the rook QB. If Campbell does well, then the rook QB sits.

I don't understand why people are so afraid of there being a "distraction" with Campbell here. All the drama last year was caused by Snyder and Cerrato, and their incompetence in trying to build a team by putting a "better" QB behind the POS line we had. Things are different now with Allen and Shanny in charge, and Campbell knows this would be his last shot at either staying on the team, or audition for the rest of the league.

I am fine with JC going into the season as the starter if that's what Shanni wants...I am also fine with taking the 3rd round pick for him now if that's what they want to do. I don't think JC is a distraction at all if he comes back and is the starting QB to start out the year. I think it's only a potential distraction if they attempt to bring him back as purely the backup. If he is the starter and loses the job through performance then i don't see him as the type of guy to cause any problems in that scenario.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

I don't think Kitna or Henry are worth a 3rd round pick. But I am not disputing the value of a good backup QB either. However, I don't see any way that JC can be the backup on the Redskins. If JC is not going to be the starter for Shanahan then all involved will need a fresh start. He will not want to be the backup here and we do not need the distraction of having a player that dosn't want to be here.

and this is my dilema. Tender him and tell him the spot is open to the best QB. Hopefully JC steps up and shines and we are all supprised and the team gives him a contract next year. If he can't beat out the Rookie or is relegated to back up he definitly won't be happy or want to stay after next year which means he leaves but it buys us a year with a decent Vet in JC and time to find someone else to fill his shoes when he leaves.

If we don't pick up a QB then the team is still not happy with his performance and then all we have is Brennan and some mid to late round draft pick from this year and pray a decent one falls to us next year when we are farther down the draft in round 1 or pick up a QB in FA. I'd rather have someone learning this year if he's not better and ready to take over next year if JC is not in the plans. If JC is then we have two awsome QB's.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

But, as everyone knows, backup QB's (outside of Jim Sorgi) often see important playing time and thus are important themselves. So, for example, Dallas traded a starting corner (Henry) to obtain a reliable backup QB (Kitna). A good backup QB is worth gold. If JC is at best a backup, he'd still be the best backup in the league. It would be a shame for us to lose the best backup QB in the league for only a 3rd round pick.

BINGO!

In most cases starters are worth a 1st round pick unless they are old or a problem ie; R.Moss, T.O. and so on. JC has another good 6-7 yrs left on him. I'd take a very low #1 draft pick or a 2nd rounder for him. But if there are no bites and someone offers a 3rd and a 5th what do you do? No bites and two picks for him... I'd have to see what Vet I had in mind to replace him with before excepting the offer.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

I think we differ on what "pretty good" means. I see him as a game manager...I think he is a low end starter or a very good backup. I don't see him taking a team anywhere unless it is a great team that can win with a QB that doesn't make a lot of plays or mistakes. To me a 3rd round pick is pretty good for that type of player.

I agree with you except I think your pushing the game manager stuff a bit either that or I'm getting game manager and clock manager combined. I don't think he's a good clock manager.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I agree with you except I think your pushing the game manager stuff a bit either that or I'm getting game manager and clock manager combined. I don't think he's a good clock manager.

No I didn't mean clock manager at all. I just mean he's a decent player. He is not taking a team anywhere that it could not have gone without him basically. A lot of QB's in the NFL lose games on their own...he's not in that group either. He's just okay...and I for one am tired of "okay" when it comes to the QB of the Redskins. I want the Redskins to find a Franchise QB that can be the reason they win games. I look forward to one day loading this website and not finding any threads talking about what we are going to do at the QB position.