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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

How about the fact that we had a detailed plan for seizing Iraqi oil assets before the war and began executing that plan immediately, yet we never had a coherent plan for creating a new Iraqi government?

I've tried to tone down and stay out of the politics for a while but can't let this one go.

We had a detailed plan to seize Iraqi oil fields so Saddam wouldn't be able to destroy Iraq's primary asset to be used in rebuilding the country. The Bush Admin made it a point not to take any oil $$$ from Iraq. Instead we pumped Billions into Iraq to rebuild it.

How about the fact that Iraq's oil assets are still being overseen by Halliburton, Cheney's company? How about the fact that Cheney and Bush are both investors in military companies like Bechtel, so with every shell fired, they potentially get a stock dividend? And all of this is just the beginning.

Dude, you need to stay off the left-wing blogs. Your conspiracy theories are out there and factually incorrect. Iraq's oil assests are being handled by the Iraqi government. The Asia Times is certainly no friend of Cheney and Co.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

From the link:
Win-win for Russia and China
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

Please show one shred of FACTUAL evidence that Cheney or Bush was invested in ANY military-type or oil producing company while in Executive Office.

And certainly the righteous Obama Admin would never steer a contract to one of their donors (cronies)

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[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I've tried to tone down and stay out of the politics for a while but can't let this one go.

We had a detailed plan to seize Iraqi oil fields so Saddam wouldn't be able to destroy Iraq's primary asset to be used in rebuilding the country. The Bush Admin made it a point not to take any oil $$$ from Iraq. Instead we pumped Billions into Iraq to rebuild it.

Dude, you need to stay off the left-wing blogs. Your conspiracy theories are out there and factually incorrect. Iraq's oil assests are being handled by the Iraqi government. The Asia Times is certainly no friend of Cheney and Co.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

From the link:
Win-win for Russia and China
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

Please show one shred of FACTUAL evidence that Cheney or Bush was invested in ANY military-type or oil producing company while in Executive Office.

And certainly the righteous Obama Admin would never steer a contract to one of their donors (cronies)

FOXNews.com - $150M Anthrax Vaccine Contract Goes to Firm With Close Dem Party Ties

You keep pointing to oil OWNERSHIP, which I already said I was not talking about. You indicated that we pumped money into Iraq to rebuild the infrastructure. There are reams of evidence on the internet (and not just from left-wing blogs) which demonstrate that it was Halliburton leading the hands-on rebuilding. So you essentially agree with me, although you omitted the detail that Halliburton benefitted.

As for Obama cronyism, I don't doubt it for a minute. But:
1) two wrongs do not make a right. Cheney is not absolved, and
2) American troops and ordinary Iraqi citizens have not to my knowledge died because of Obama's anthrax cronyism.

Now I'm out of this argument. Back to football for me.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You keep pointing to oil OWNERSHIP, which I already said I was not talking about. You indicated that we pumped money into Iraq to rebuild the infrastructure. There are reams of evidence on the internet (and not just from left-wing blogs) which demonstrate that it was Halliburton leading the hands-on rebuilding. So you essentially agree with me, although you omitted the detail that Halliburton benefitted.

As for Obama cronyism, I don't doubt it for a minute. But:
1) two wrongs do not make a right. Cheney is not absolved, and
2) American troops and ordinary Iraqi citizens have not to my knowledge died because of Obama's anthrax cronyism.

Now I'm out of this argument. Back to football for me.

If Halliburton did the work one would only think that they turned a profit form doing so. Thats I given

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I've tried to tone down and stay out of the politics for a while but can't let this one go.

We had a detailed plan to seize Iraqi oil fields so Saddam wouldn't be able to destroy Iraq's primary asset to be used in rebuilding the country. The Bush Admin made it a point not to take any oil $$$ from Iraq. Instead we pumped Billions into Iraq to rebuild it.

Dude, you need to stay off the left-wing blogs. Your conspiracy theories are out there and factually incorrect. Iraq's oil assests are being handled by the Iraqi government. The Asia Times is certainly no friend of Cheney and Co.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs

From the link:
Win-win for Russia and China
Cheney's and Rumsfeld's script was never supposed to develop like this. Instead of US Big Oil getting the lion's share, strategic competitors Russia and China turned out to be big winners. Dick Cheney's "consolation prize" was an Exxon-Mobil-Shell alliance getting the phase 1 of West Qurna in early November. Exxon-Mobil had been the favorite to also win Rumaila (17.8 billion barrels of reserves). But a BP-CNPC (China National Petroleum Corporation) alliance got it in the end because unlike Exxon-Mobil they agreed to cut their fee per barrel down to the Oil Ministry-enforced $2.

Please show one shred of FACTUAL evidence that Cheney or Bush was invested in ANY military-type or oil producing company while in Executive Office.

And certainly the righteous Obama Admin would never steer a contract to one of their donors (cronies)

FOXNews.com - $150M Anthrax Vaccine Contract Goes to Firm With Close Dem Party Ties

Nice post SS33 , amazing how facts trump BS .... every time ! http://www.bechtel.com/assets/files/...s/Straight.pdf