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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Saints offer tenders to 13 RFAs, but not Jahri Evans or Mike Bell
Posted by Mike Florio on February 25, 2010 5:59 PM ET
The New Orleans Saints have announced that 13 of the team's 18 potential restricted free agents have received qualifying offers.

They are: defensive tackle Remi Ayodele, defensive end, Anthony Hargrove, offensive tackle Jammal Brown, offensive tackle Jermon Bushrod, offensive tackle Zach Strief, safety Roman Harper, safety Chris Reis, safety Usama Young, linebacker Marvin Mitchell, wide receiver Lance Moore, wide receiver Courtney Roby, tight end David Thomas, and running back Pierre Thomas.

The Saints did not specify the amount of the tenders; Mike Triplett has reported the specific levels for Bushrod (second round), Strief (second round), and Young (third round).


Anyone wanna sign a RFA from the Saints and give up a pick?

I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting one of their OT's from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, but can't remember who...

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting Bushrod from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, but can't remember who...

I dont wanna say

[GridIron26]

I believed it was Smootsmack who brought up the idea..

However, I'm not sure if I would like the idea.. Giving up a 2nd rounder (or trading Landry) for a proven LT might sounds good.. But I really believe we would get better player if we draft a T with our 2nd round pick by drafting Charles Brown or whichever T falls down to 2nd round slot.. Jammal Brown is 28 years old, which means he would only have maybe 4 years left in him.. Jermon Bushrod is 25, however, from what I saw in the super bowl game.. Bushrod almost couldn't handle Freeney by himself - Freeney had fracture foot or something.. Which means Bushrod wouldn't be able to handle a healthy Freeney-alike player..

I think (or hope) Landry will become the player this year that we expected him to be last two seasons.. If we traded Landry to Saints for either T and Landry emerges as elite player, then they definitely would have gotten the better value out of this trade..

[Dirtbag59]

The funny thing is our draft might end up a lot like the Falcons draft in 2008. Take the QB first, get a second round pick for a player and then trade up into the first to draft a Tackle from USC. All the while getting a third round pick. That would be a great day. Now lets hope Buddy Nix is crazy enough to fork over a 2nd rounder for Campbell, because personally I'm not getting rid of Campbell for anything less then a second round pick.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I rather like the idea of giving them LL and getting one of their OT's from them. I know someone on the site pointed out that we might be able to help each other out, but can't remember who...

Sounds great, Vinny! I think that improving the current Super Bowl Champion and a conference opponent is a great idea. Let's throw in a 2nd and 6th too so they don't shop around...

This Laron Landry bashing is officially in the retarded stage.

Someone give me one team that he wouldn't start immediately on. In fact he would probably be the starting FS or SS on almost every team in the league.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sounds great, Vinny! I think that improving the current Super Bowl Champion and a conference opponent is a great idea. Let's throw in a 2nd and 6th too so they don't shop around...

This Laron Landry bashing is officially in the retarded stage.

Someone give me one team that he wouldn't start immediately on. In fact he would probably be the starting FS or SS on almost every team in the league.

That's not a Vinny move, and I wasn't bashing LL, I recognize he is valuable and we could trade him and get an equally valuable piece for our team. So we can't trade with anyone in our conference or any teams that were in the playoffs, going off your "improving the SB champ/conference statement". But they have alot of the best talent, and if we both improve our teams then it is the "win-win" scenario.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That's not a Vinny move, and I wasn't bashing LL, I recognize he is valuable and we could trade him and get an equally valuable piece for our team. So we can't trade with anyone in our conference or any teams that were in the playoffs, going off your "improving the SB champ/conference statement". But they have alot of the best talent, and if we both improve our teams then it is the "win-win" scenario.

I am not big on filling a big hole and creating an equal one. Plus, do we even know that their tackles fit in our system?

I would trade Landry for a pro-bowl quality tackle who fits perfectly in Shanny's system. That is it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I am not big on filling a big hole and creating an equal one. Plus, do we even know that their tackles fit in our system?

I would trade Landry for a pro-bowl quality tackle who fits perfectly in Shanny's system. That is it.

Was Laron in the Pro Bowl? Did I miss that? We have others who could step into Landry's position far better than OT's we have now. Why would any other team trade a probowler for a underperforming player. I think GW would lobby for Landry, and we could get a solid OT in the process. I think this would make sense, but i would be fine keeping Landry as well.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Was Laron in the Pro Bowl? Did I miss that? We have others who could step into Landry's position far better than OT's we have now. Why would any other team trade a probowler for a underperforming player. I think GW would lobby for Landry, and we could get a solid OT in the process. I think this would make sense, but i would be fine keeping Landry as well.

We have no other safety who is anywhere near as good as Landry. It isn't even close.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

We have no other safety who is anywhere near as good as Landry. It isn't even close.

BUT, the D as a whole can make up for a slightly weaker safety position, then the O can with the OT's we currently have. One way, or more than one way, we need to bring in SOLID OL players, and I am pretty sure the Saints OL counts as that.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sounds great, Vinny! I think that improving the current Super Bowl Champion and a conference opponent is a great idea. Let's throw in a 2nd and 6th too so they don't shop around...

This Laron Landry bashing is officially in the retarded stage.

Someone give me one team that he wouldn't start immediately on. In fact he would probably be the starting FS or SS on almost every team in the league.

Really? Ok let's begin. First the list of teams Landry definitely wouldn't start at either safety spot:

Saints
Colts
Steelers
Ravens
Cards
Packers
Jets

Next there's a bunch of teams Laron would have to fight for a spot:

Pats
Chargers
Niners
Dolphins
Raiders

But I think the larger point is most franchises wouldn't allow a player to embarrass himself and the franchise the way Landry has. Hey, if you want a player who's notorious for cheap shots (especially on players going out of bounce), getting trucked by opposing RBs (like Jacobs) and avoiding contact like the plague (especially against hard hitting RBs like Michael Turner) then Landry makes a great starter. And that's only during live play! Just wait till the absurd antics start

Realistically I can't see many teams in the league having much interest in Landry. I doubt we'd get more than a 4th round pick for him.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Really? Ok let's begin. First the list of teams Landry definitely wouldn't start at either safety spot:

Saints
Colts
Steelers
Ravens
Cards
Packers
Jets

Next there's a bunch of teams Laron would have to fight for a spot:

Pats
Chargers
Niners
Dolphins
Raiders

But I think the larger point is most franchises wouldn't allow a player to embarrass himself and the franchise the way Landry has. Hey, if you want a player who's notorious for cheap shots (especially on players going out of bounce), getting trucked by opposing RBs (like Jacobs) and avoiding contact like the plague (especially against hard hitting RBs like Michael Turner) then Landry makes a great starter. And that's only during live play! Just wait till the absurd antics start

Realistically I can't see many teams in the league having much interest in Landry. I doubt we'd get more than a 4th round pick for him.

Your list of teams is pretty funny at first glance. I will have fun ripping that apart when I get off work...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Your list of teams is pretty funny at first glance. I will have fun ripping that apart when I get off work...

Be my guest...

The first group is pretty obvious. The second list sorta follows this idea that you never replace a hungry, bruising safety w/ a guy who misses a lot and avoids contact. Honestly I can't tell you the name of the safeties for Oakland, Miami or San Diego. What I can say is I watched games over the last season where safeties from these teams put the hurt on like Laron never has or will. Particularly the kid from Oakland...that dude is fierce.

But let's stop w/ the nonsense about "Laron's talent puts him in another category" bullsh*t. It's just become code for making excuses about a player who has some obvious issues that go way beyond technique or coaching. A kid who starts diving to the turf to avoid contact or taking a bizarre angle so contact doesn't happen till the play is out of bounce...there's no place in the NFL for it.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Be my guest...

The first group is pretty obvious. The second list sorta follows this idea that you never replace a hungry, bruising safety w/ a guy who misses a lot and avoids contact. Honestly I can't tell you the name of the safeties for Oakland, Miami or San Diego. What I can say is I watched games over the last season where safeties from these teams put the hurt on like Laron never has or will. Particularly the kid from Oakland...that dude is fierce.

But let's stop w/ the nonsense about "Laron's talent puts him in another category" bullsh*t. It's just become code for making excuses about a player who has some obvious issues that go way beyond technique or coaching. A kid who starts diving to the turf to avoid contact or taking a bizarre angle so contact doesn't happen till the play is out of bounce...there's no place in the NFL for it.

Let me know where I can go to get back the 30 minutes that it took for me to figure out that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I looked at every teams safety tandem and Arizona is the only one where you are even close. And that is assuming that Rolle stays which doesn't seem likely.

So is hitting people "out of bounce" avoiding contact? It taking on 280 pounds Brandon Jacobs avoiding contact? Was he avoiding contact when he destroyed everything that moved in Dallas?

Which flavor of haterade is your favorite?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Let me know where I can go to get back the 30 minutes that it took for me to figure out that you have no idea what you are talking about.

I looked at every teams safety tandem and Arizona is the only one where you are even close. And that is assuming that Rolle stays which doesn't seem likely.

So is hitting people "out of bounce" avoiding contact? It taking on 280 pounds Brandon Jacobs avoiding contact? Was he avoiding contact when he destroyed everything that moved in Dallas?

Which flavor of haterade is your favorite?

Thanks for the late night laugh