Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[Pocket$ $traight]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

I don't know anything more than what the experts have published but Phillips played free safety and the Giants just paid 37 million for a free safety. Now maybe Phillips has a year or two left in him but he has arthritis in his knee and is coming off of a season ending hip injury. Either way, it doesn't seem like they felt like they could count on Phillips as a long term solution.

From the outside, I thought the G-men needed a linebacker more than a safety.

The G-men's FO is pretty good normally and for them to make an unusual move like this may be a signal.

[12thMan]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

What is that supposed to mean? I think the Giants are going to have some issues on the defensive side of the ball again this year. Last year they yielded nearly 30 points per game, Osi Umenyiora still isn't happy about being benched and you axed, arguably, the best play caller in football: Antonio Pierce. And they just made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in football history. (though the final point is relative nowadays). He's good, but I don't know about that one.

My point is the Giants simply don't have a scheme problem, there are personnel issues they have to address this offseason. Can Kenny Phillips rebound coming off injured reserve, there's still no clear cut successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle, and can Rolle have an immediate impact on a defense that gave up over 40 points three times last year?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

The Bears and Seattle are the only teams acting like Vinny Cerrato. We are choosing to spend WISELY this year. There are plenty of signings left in our future, just no overspending.

If we sign Kemo and a linebacker we will be just as formidable up front. Hell, we may play Phat Al at linebacker. Haslett says he can do it.

That was a tribute to his versatility, you can bet your life that AH will not see time at LB.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You put Rolle and Kenny Phillips back there together and you have already upgrade to 1 of the top DB groups in the NFC.
I realize there is a "new regime" as you put it .....................and no it's not being aggressive at all just wondering ,the Skins have always treaded FA like there was no cap,now there is no cap so other teams are doing what it was the Skins did when there was a cap.Point........this might have been the time for the Skins to open up instead of sit on the side lines.Does AH play NG.....he doesn't want to,so now what,make him a 3point DE???Had you guys got Peppers and put Haynsworth at nose and Orakpo at outside Lber.....no joke holy shit 1 of if not they best D side in the NFC.

I actually agree here. I've hated the Skins approach in the past, but this season was a year where I would have liked to have thrown some money at Rolle to have him HERE. We can do the measured approach thing when there IS a cap. I mean maybe it's more than just money, like maybe how the players feel in the locker room based on contracts, but overall I think we could have been just a little more aggressive.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I actually agree here. I've hated the Skins approach in the past, but this season was a year where I would have liked to have thrown some money at Rolle to have him HERE. We can do the measured approach thing when there IS a cap. I mean maybe it's more than just money, like maybe how the players feel in the locker room based on contracts, but overall I think we could have been just a little more aggressive.

I would be upset if we cut all those guys, talk about the status quo being over and then sign a safety for 37 million.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I would be upset if we cut all those guys, talk about the status quo being over and then sign a safety for 37 million.

I would agree had there been a cap this year...

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I actually agree here. I've hated the Skins approach in the past, but this season was a year where I would have liked to have thrown some money at Rolle to have him HERE. We can do the measured approach thing when there IS a cap. I mean maybe it's more than just money, like maybe how the players feel in the locker room based on contracts, but overall I think we could have been just a little more aggressive.

I'm not ready to say there's a new approach yet.

This year's approach is really only surprising or different because the cap is different. Those vets wouldn't have all been cut if the cap were in place, and we wouldn't be talking about Snyder spending a lot if the cap were in place. Likely because he wouldn't be even if they'd cleared a lot of cap space.

Take a look back & you'll see that it wasn't EVERY year that we signed big FAs. Gibbs' big class in 04 was followed by a quiet 05 in which D. Patton & C. Rabach were signed to fairly modest deals. The distrous 06 (Arch, Loyd, etc.) was followed by a fairly quiet 07; Smoot came back, Fletcher was signed, and I can't think of anyone else significant. 2008 wasn't very big either, other than Zorn being hired I'd have to go back & look at the roster to see who was signed.

2009 of course was the big payday for AH & I think that is still in everyone's mind. Even w/that signing, agree w/them or not (I didn't like it), Danny & Vinny said they targeted the top player in FA that they thought could make a difference. i.e., they have shown restraint when they had to or when they didn't like the players available.

I think this year isn't a good gauge of how the new mgmt. spends in free agency, because I realy don't think this fa class was much. Definitely don't think we need Rolle, we have good safeties. Dansby is the only guy that was worth a lot IMO, and I can see why they didn't feel the need to bid high for him.

The real test to see if things have changed is when a trade is made. Will they value picks & will they drive a hard bargain?

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You put Rolle and Kenny Phillips back there together and you have already upgrade to 1 of the top DB groups in the NFC.

On NFL Network they were discussing the Rolle signing and said they had heard rumblings that people inside NY may think Phillips will never be the same again as his knee is not healing well. The main thing they said that stuck with me was that his knee is now bone against bone because of it's inability to heal properly and that's definitely not a good sign if true.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

On NFL Network they were discussing the Rolle signing and said they had heard rumblings that people inside NY may think Phillips will never be the same again as his knee is not healing well. The main thing they said that stuck with me was that his knee is now bone against bone because of it's inability to heal properly and that's definitely not a good sign if true.

Don't tell Giantone, he will start talking about Phat Al getting winded. I will take a guy who gets tired over a guy who needs a knee replacement.

Is this really a surprise? Phillips was a free safety who was playing at a high level before he got hurt. The Giants, who have a lot of holes on defense, choose to spend 37 million on.....a free safety.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Don't tell Giantone, he will start talking about Phat Al getting winded. I will take a guy who gets tired over a guy who needs a knee replacement.

Is this really a surprise? Phillips was a free safety who was playing at a high level before he got hurt. The Giants, who have a lot of holes on defense, choose to spend 37 million on.....a free safety.

...see post #951

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

The main thing they said that stuck with me was that his knee is now bone against bone because of it's inability to heal properly and that's definitely not a good sign if true.

That's what was fixed,from all real reports ,rehab is going well.

[theJBexperience]

The Redskins are reportedly closing in on an agreement with free agent OL Artis Hicks.
Hicks has been at Redskins headquarter for most of the day, and he's probably already taken his physical. With so many holes to fill upfront, Hicks' versatility will come in handy for the Redskins.
Source: Judd Zulgad on Twitter

Now, who is Artis Hicks and will he improve our line?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

The Redskins are reportedly closing in on an agreement with free agent OL Artis Hicks.
Hicks has been at Redskins headquarter for most of the day, and he's probably already taken his physical. With so many holes to fill upfront, Hicks' versatility will come in handy for the Redskins.
Source: Judd Zulgad on Twitter

Now, who is Artis Hicks and will he improve our line?

He's a nine yr. vet. G with Philadelphia and Minn. He's 6' 4" 335 age 31. Started 14 games for Philly in 2005 and 14 for Minn. in 2006. Been in the league since 2002.

[53Fan]

Player Stats - Artis Hicks - wcco.com

Time will tell.

[Lotus]

Hicks perhaps is a targeted reserve. If so, fine with me.

Justin Fargas is now a FA. He has low mileage and can catch out of the backfield.