Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Justin Fargas is now a FA. He has low mileage and can catch out of the backfield.

Wonder if that's who the rumors Smoot mentioned were about

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Wonder if that's who the rumors Smoot mentioned were about

No I already knew about Fargas, it's someone else who I still haven't figured out yet.

[GTripp0012]

Tony Pashos is a fringe starting RT, Hicks is a fringe NFL player.

Pashos is a good signing if we draft a LT early, and fail to address the line again until late in the draft, we'll be alright with him and Heyer on the right side.

In general, no idea what the line rebuilding plan is. We're not targeting guys with zone blocking experience, and we've brought in a lot of guys. I'm sure Shanahan has a plan, I just hope it's better than, "sign some guys, get lucky".

Hicks has spent his whole career playing for Reid/Childress, and their zone blocking schemes more closely resemble Zorn's than Shanahan's. Not that it's a huge difference.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Tony Pashos is a fringe starting RT, Hicks is a fringe NFL player.

Pashos is a good signing if we draft a LT early, and fail to address the line again until late in the draft, we'll be alright with him and Heyer on the right side.

In general, no idea what the line rebuilding plan is. We're not targeting guys with zone blocking experience, and we've brought in a lot of guys. I'm sure Shanahan has a plan, I just hope it's better than, "sign some guys, get lucky".

Hicks has spent his whole career playing for Reid/Childress, and their zone blocking schemes more closely resemble Zorn's than Shanahan's. Not that it's a huge difference.

I guess nothing's saying that we have to keep these guys, who knows.

Could you point to a link sharing the diff zone blocking schemes such as the reid style and shanny's? Or a brief synopsis?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I guess nothing's saying that we have to keep these guys, who knows.

Could you point to a link sharing the diff zone blocking schemes such as the reid style and shanny's? Or a brief synopsis?

I think Smart Football ran a feature on the different kinds of ZBS schemes a year or two years ago. I'll see if can dig it up.

The biggest difference is the reliance on the cut blocking in the Shanahan scheme to create huge cutback lanes. You don't really see the long cutbacks in other variations of the zone blocking scheme. It's still zone blocking, you're still blocking an area instead of a man, but every play in Shanahan scheme (and Kubiak as well), the backside end is under immense pressure to play the cutback.

Doesn't seem like it would be a major difference for a guard as opposed to the tackle, but I've heard otherwise.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think Smart Football ran a feature on the different kinds of ZBS schemes a year or two years ago. I'll see if can dig it up.

The biggest difference is the reliance on the cut blocking in the Shanahan scheme to create huge cutback lanes. You don't really see the long cutbacks in other variations of the zone blocking scheme. It's still zone blocking, you're still blocking an area instead of a man, but every play in Shanahan scheme (and Kubiak as well), the backside end is under immense pressure to play the cutback.

Doesn't seem like it would be a major difference for a guard as opposed to the tackle, but I've heard otherwise.

Sounds good, I'll look for it, your description seems to be good enough though.

[Hail to the Redskins]

I'm kind of surprised RB Mike Bell hasn't been mentioned at all.

Wasn't he a Shanahan pick? And he ran kind of well for the Saints this season... I think I'd rather him over a 30-yr old back like Tomilinson, Parker, etc. ... he'd be rather cheap and already know the system.

But again... Shanny must not have been to impressed with him Denver... haven't heard of any interest from the Skins.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

I'm kind of surprised RB Mike Bell hasn't been mentioned at all.

Wasn't he a Shanahan pick? And he ran kind of well for the Saints this season... I think I'd rather him over a 30-yr old back like Tomilinson, Parker, etc. ... he'd be rather cheap and already know the system.

But again... Shanny must not have been to impressed with him Denver... haven't heard of any interest from the Skins.

He's young but hasn't done a hell of a lot. Might be worth looking though, he looked probably the best since his rookie year last year. If we don't get Parker he'd be a logical choice to consider.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Tony Pashos is a fringe starting RT, Hicks is a fringe NFL player.

Pashos is a good signing if we draft a LT early, and fail to address the line again until late in the draft, we'll be alright with him and Heyer on the right side.

In general, no idea what the line rebuilding plan is. We're not targeting guys with zone blocking experience, and we've brought in a lot of guys. I'm sure Shanahan has a plan, I just hope it's better than, "sign some guys, get lucky".

Hicks has spent his whole career playing for Reid/Childress, and their zone blocking schemes more closely resemble Zorn's than Shanahan's. Not that it's a huge difference.

I don't mean to be a dick but I thought we only brought in 3 OL so far? Clifton was a zone blocking lineman. Pashos has worked with Foerster the OL coach while in San Fran. Foerster teaches zone blocking. Hicks as you have said is a zone blocker even though it might not be Shanahan's style he understands zone blocking.

Plus Pashos can play tackle and Hicks is a OG/LT. For whatever reason I think Pashos was a LT also so we have some options now. The only people who are not zone blockers are the LB Foote we are looking to talk to and Willie Parker. So basically we are bringing in zone blocking OL. At a reasonable price I might add vs. throwing money away like we have for the whole time Snyder has owned the team.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't mean to be a dick but I thought we only brought in 3 OL so far? Clifton was a zone blocking lineman. Pashos has worked with Foerster the OL coach while in San Fran. Foerster teaches zone blocking. Hicks as you have said is a zone blocker even though it might not be Shanahan's style he understands zone blocking.

Plus Pashos can play tackle and Hicks is a OG/LT. For whatever reason I think Pashos was a LT also so we have some options now. The only people who are not zone blockers are the LB Foote we are looking to talk to and Willie Parker. So basically we are bringing in zone blocking OL. At a reasonable price I might add vs. throwing money away like we have for the whole time Snyder has owned the team.

I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.

Yes you have to wonder but one player who is a back up in one system might actually do rather well in another scheme. If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yes you have to wonder but one player who is a back up in one system might actually do rather well in another scheme. If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.

What you're saying is correct. I just hope it's a small part of the greater plan, instead of, you know, the plan for rebuilding the line.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

If Shanahan can get mid to late rounders to be the best OL in the NFL as he has with Denver then I presume he will do just as well with players who are from other teams but the same catagory.

My hope is to trade down from the #4 spot for multiple picks in order to pick up some of those mid to late rounders. I keep holding out hope that this is the plan. I want more good draftees, and not one high priced one at #4. I think Allenhan-ShanAllen can do it.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm sure that every lineman has some sort of exposure to the ZBS, but I thought/was delusional in thinking that we would bring in a bunch of underpublicized lineman who specialize in what we're going to do for the next few years. So far, we've re-signed Rabach and Mike Williams, who don't do any of that. Clifton is 34.

It's possible we're already doing that and I'm just oblivious, but I'm just seeing guys who have struggled to hold on to a starting job the last few years traipsing through here, and I'm skeptical. That's all.

When you see "3-year deal", and it being offered to a backup-quality lineman, you do have to wonder what the greater plan is. Usually with bargain-basement types, shorter contracts are in vogue.

I think its a job security thing. If there's a lockout, the players may be out of luck salary-wise.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I think its a job security thing. If there's a lockout, the players may be out of luck salary-wise.

Particularly good point. Didn't even think of that.