Schefter: "There's no way" the Rams won't pick Sam Bradford at No. 1

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Washington has a proven formula that great lines can turn average quarterbacks into Super Bowl MVPs, so as much as everyone says we need a "franchise quarterback" I disagree. Conversely, a bad line can turn a franchise QB into a bum.

Pass on Bradford and commit to our proven formula.

I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

It's a different league now. The Vikings have easily had a top 3 line over the past few years but with Tavaris Jackson at QB they barely inched into the playoffs. Heck the reason we were able to get into the playoffs in 2007 was in playing the Vikings all we had to do was stack the box. Bret Farve comes in and suddenly the Vikes are a Super Bowl contender, not to mention the fact that Sidney Rice goes from bust to pro bowler.

Also I'd like to point out that in 2007 we had a legitimate shot at making it to the Super Bowl thanks to Collins playing like a man possessed.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I kind of hate hearing this, not that I don't think that we should focus heavily on the line, but the past is the past. We've had great lines and not come close to approaching the Super Bowl, much less getting into it or winning it. Samuels-Jansen didn't get us there and we had a very good line at the time. We didn't have any good answer at QB though.

Agreed. After all this "proven formula" hasn't won the Super Bowl for us in nearly 20 years.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. After all this "proven formula" hasn't won the Super Bowl for us in nearly 20 years.

Well we haven't followed the formula for 20 years.

To compare the championship lines to the Samuels/Jansen/Thomas lines is very simpleminded.

Grimm - 1st team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 3 x all pro
Jacoby - 2nd team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 2 x all pro
Lachey - 2 pro bowls 2 all pros
Bostic - pro bowler
May - pro bowler
Schlereth - pro bowler

Samuels - never all pro
Thomas - never a pro bowler
Jansen - never a pro bowler (pretty overated in my book in general)

The Samuels/Jansen lines NEVER had multiple pro bowlers and NEVER had a single all pro.

Comparing the two is baseless at best.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well we haven't followed the formula for 20 years.

To compare the championship lines to the Samuels/Jansen/Thomas lines is very simpleminded.

Grimm - 1st team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 3 x all pro
Jacoby - 2nd team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 2 x all pro
Lachey - 2 pro bowls 2 all pros
Bostic - pro bowler
May - pro bowler
Schlereth - pro bowler

Samuels - never all pro
Thomas - never a pro bowler
Jansen - never a pro bowler (pretty overated in my book in general)

The Samuels/Jansen lines NEVER had multiple pro bowlers and NEVER had a single all pro.

Comparing the two is baseless at best.

Samuels was never all pro really? Well anyway, if anything our "proven formula" has proven that we don't need to stack the line with first round picks to have a successful offensive line and team

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Samuels was never all pro really? Well anyway, if anything our "proven formula" has proven that we don't need to stack the line with first round picks to have a successful offensive line and team

He wasn't. It will take you 5 seconds to google that and verify it.

Philadelphia (for example, I am sure there are others) has been consistently committing early picks to their line. How have we measured up with them?

We have had two first round QB draft picks over the last decade. Where did that get us? 4-12.

Edit: Samuels was second team all pro in 2001. Washington and their second team all pro were 8-8.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

He wasn't. It will take you 5 seconds to google that and verify it.

Philadelphia (for example, I am sure there are others) has been consistently committing early picks to their line. How have we measured up with them?

We have had two first round QB draft picks over the last decade. Where did that get us? 4-12.

Edit: Samuels was second team all pro in 2001. Washington and their second team all pro were 8-8.

Draft positions of the Hogs:
Grimm 3rd
Lachey 1st
Bostic undrafted
Mark May 1st
Jacoby undrafted
Schlereth 10th

Most of the Hogs were not 1st rounders. 2 of the Hogs were not even drafted.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Draft positions of the Hogs:
Grimm 3rd
Lachey 1st
Bostic undrafted
Mark May 1st
Jacoby undrafted
Schlereth 10th

Most of the Hogs were not 1st rounders. 2 of the Hogs were not even drafted.

It's amazing what a couple of outstanding players like Jim Lachey and Mark May can do for an offensive line isn't it? They don't all have to be first rounders. Trading QB Schroeder for LT Lachey was one of the best trades the Redskins ever pulled off.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

He wasn't. It will take you 5 seconds to google that and verify it.

Philadelphia (for example, I am sure there are others) has been consistently committing early picks to their line. How have we measured up with them?

We have had two first round QB draft picks over the last decade. Where did that get us? 4-12.

I don't doubt you, just never crossed my mind that he wasn't. But I guess playing in the same era as Ogden, Roaf, and Walter Jones would make it difficult

I believe the Eagles have drafted one offensive linemen in the first round since 1999. And I think maybe only or two in the 2nd round.

I'm all for using the 2nd-4th rounds to stock up on OL

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't doubt you, just never crossed my mind that he wasn't. But I guess playing in the same era as Ogden, Roaf, and Walter Jones would make it difficult

I believe the Eagles have drafted one offensive linemen in the first round since 1999. And I think maybe only or two in the 2nd round.

I'm all for using the 2nd-4th rounds to stock up on OL

Well he was second team in 2001. According to Profootballreference.com he is a 6 time pro-bowler. So I guess you could argue it either way.

I definitely think you can get guys later and turn them into gems but we have to commit to it.

It seems that in recent drafts there has been a pretty good success rate with 1st round o-lineman.

I worry about taking the QB because of the examples of teams being stuck in mediocrity for years if they get the pick wrong. I think there are enough questions about both Clausen and Bradford to let them slip past 4.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Well we haven't followed the formula for 20 years.

To compare the championship lines to the Samuels/Jansen/Thomas lines is very simpleminded.

Grimm - 1st team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 3 x all pro
Jacoby - 2nd team all decade, 4 pro bowls, 2 x all pro
Lachey - 2 pro bowls 2 all pros
Bostic - pro bowler
May - pro bowler
Schlereth - pro bowler

Samuels - never all pro
Thomas - never a pro bowler
Jansen - never a pro bowler (pretty overated in my book in general)

The Samuels/Jansen lines NEVER had multiple pro bowlers and NEVER had a single all pro.

Comparing the two is baseless at best.

That doesn't surprise me at all. Offensive lines are generally decorated when the team wins. Jansen was very good but that team was never getting 2 pro bowl OL with thier record so when the time came for a pro bowl honor Samuels would always get the honor.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by celts32

That doesn't surprise me at all. Offensive lines are generally decorated when the team wins. Jansen was very good but that team was never getting 2 pro bowl OL with thier record so when the time came for a pro bowl honor Samuels would always get the honor.

This, exactly.