Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

The reports about Peppers lacking motivation are troublesome but maybe that had something to do with the system he was in and it's not like Carolina was stacked on defense so I'm sure he's tired of being constantly double teamed. I remember him saying he WANTED to play OLB in a 3-4 sometime last year. This guy is a two-sport athlete who played power forward for UNC and probably could've played in the NBA. I don't think he'll have any trouble dropping into coverage to cover the flats or a TE.

A 6'7 Power Forward in the NBA? Sorry but that's almost unheard of. Plus keep in mind he decided between being the number 2 pick in the NFL draft or possibly being a 2nd round pick int he NBA draft.

[DIE-NASTY]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A 6'7 Power Forward in the NBA? Sorry but that's almost unheard of. Plus keep in mind he decided between being the number 2 pick in the NFL draft or possibly being a 2nd round pick int he NBA draft.

ever hear of charles barkley? he was listed at 6'6" but probably wasn't even that tall. Why do you think they called him the Round Mound of Rebound.

And I'm not saying Peppers would've been a NBA HOFer but I'd bet he'd be a double-double guy (12ppg/10 rebound average) which is pretty good.

[freddyg12]

[QUOTE=DIE-NASTY;667626]ever hear of charles barkley? he was listed at 6'6" but probably wasn't even that tall. Why do you think they called him the Round Mound of Rebound.

And I'm not saying Peppers would've been a NBA HOFer but I'd bet he'd be a double-double guy (12ppg/10 rebound average) which is pretty good.[/QUOTE]

It's been a long time, but I remember Peppers playing b-ball at UNC. He was a solid rebounder & post defender, had a nice jump hook, but not much of an offensive game otherwise. Being drafted in the 2nd round of the nba draft is analogous to the rounds 6-7 of the nfl, if that. Chances of making a roster are under 50%.

Peppers might've become a 12/10 guy as you say in the nba, but not without a lot of offseason work & improvement. He would've had a hard time making a roster as a rookie on most teams IMO. By comparison, he was a sure 1st rounder in the nfl draft.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

A 6'7 Power Forward in the NBA? Sorry but that's almost unheard of. Plus keep in mind he decided between being the number 2 pick in the NFL draft or possibly being a 2nd round pick int he NBA draft.

Did you see him play at UNC? His playing weight was around 275 and if you got in his way he would posterize you. Basketball was a hobby for him and he was a dominant force in the ACC.

Billy Packer said he was arguably the best two way athlete in the history of the NCAA.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Did you see him play at UNC? His playing weight was around 275 and if you got in his way he would posterize you. Basketball was a hobby for him and he was a dominant force in the ACC.

Billy Packer said he was arguably the best two way athlete in the history of the NCAA.

Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him, was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.

His last game in the tournament he put up 21 and 10. He was so raw because it truly was a hobby.

I think if he focused on basketball he could have been a star.

Now on the making 10 times more in the NFL. Have you seen NBA contracts? There are role players making 10 million a year. There are guys who barely leave the bench who make 5. His longevity is impressive but typically an NBA career is much longer than an NFL career.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

His last game in the tournament he put up 21 and 10. He was so raw because it truly was a hobby.

I think if he focused on basketball he could have been a star.

Now on the making 10 times more in the NFL. Have you seen NBA contracts? There are role players making 10 million a year. There are guys who barely leave the bench who make 5. His longevity is impressive but typically an NBA career is much longer than an NFL career.

You're talking about the guys like Tayshaun Prince, who have a solid overall game and are usually in their teams starting 5. Peppers rookie contract was 7 years with a minimum value of $50 million dollars. He likely earned the $62 million max with that contract not to mention the 18 million he made last year with the franchise tag and pro bowl bonus.

Unless he became a starter then Peppers would most likely have been making one or two million a year and been out of the league within 5 years. Sure maybe he could have gotten up to $5 million but for how long? Also keep in mind that you're talking about a league that doesn't take very kindly to power forwards uner 6'8. Elton Brand is the only guy I can think of that made it as a short power forward. In the NBA height is extremely important.

Originally Posted by DIE-NASTY

I suppose i wasn't clear earlier. As you say, Peppers is a much more successful football player than in basketball. Who really knows? The real point is that it takes a special athlete to compete at a high level in two sports. Deion Sanders, arguably the best cover corner to play in the NFL, wasn't the best pro baseball player (.263 career average) but he was a special athlete. Bo was a shooting star. I'd loved to have seen him have a full career. And for Peppers to play and start at UNC, a top-5 collegiate basketball program in the USA is special and he has the talent and ability to make the transition to cover as a LB.

Can't argue with that. I mean heck it's hard enough to play football and make the basketball team in high school let alone doing it at a school like UNC.

[DIE-NASTY]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Even so in the NBA he likely would have been a role player with his height, in the NFL he's a star making around 10 times more then he would have playing basketball. I wouldn't say that he was a dominant force in the ACC. He was good averaging 7 ppg and 4 rebounds in his last season playing basketball. Now JJ Reddick, as much as I hated playing against him, was a dominant force in the ACC.

Though it is worth pointing out that he's named after Juilus Erving and Walt Fraizer, hence his name Juilus Fraizer Peppers.

I suppose i wasn't clear earlier. As you say, Peppers is a much more successful football player than in basketball. Who really knows? The real point is that it takes a special athlete to compete at a high level in two sports. Deion Sanders, arguably the best cover corner to play in the NFL, wasn't the best pro baseball player (.263 career average) but he was a special athlete. Bo was a shooting star. I'd loved to have seen him have a full career. And for Peppers to play and start at UNC, a top-5 collegiate basketball program in the USA is special and he has the talent and ability to make the transition to cover as a LB.

JJ Redick is a cry baby and players from Duke (short of Grant Hill) are overrated. I loved that interview when he actually cried about the MD fans harassing his sister. somehow they got her phone number.