Peppers signs with the Bears (updated - again)

[Dirtbag59]

Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.

I dont see where people keep saying Peppers was doubled all year. Trust me dude, he was not. The last two seasons all people did around here is bitch about Peppers and why he couldn't get past the single lineman, or TE. he was not doubled near as much as people are saying. Carolina is actually really really really glad to see him go. They are tired of his attitude, his so/so play, and overall seemingly lack of interest. He wasn't a leader. Hell he was even called out in the locker room/radio show by a second year LB....Jon Beason. Who by the way is the next Ray Lewis. This guy is a monster, but I digress... Beason called out peppers and said he needed to play 100% all the time and stop being lazy. That is from a second year guy!! Beason is the leader of the D. What does that say about Peppers??

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont see where people keep saying Peppers was doubled all year. Trust me dude, he was not. The last two seasons all people did around here is bitch about Peppers and why he couldn't get past the single lineman, or TE. he was not doubled near as much as people are saying. Carolina is actually really really really glad to see him go. They are tired of his attitude, his so/so play, and overall seemingly lack of interest. He wasn't a leader. Hell he was even called out in the locker room/radio show by a second year LB....Jon Beason. Who by the way is the next Ray Lewis. This guy is a monster, but I digress... Beason called out peppers and said he needed to play 100% all the time and stop being lazy. That is from a second year guy!! Beason is the leader of the D. What does that say about Peppers??

Great post 56, st. from Charlotte! Always good to get the local view.

Peppers is like Haynesworth at a different position. I believe he & AH were on a dubious top 10 nfl diva list that came out this past year (fox sports or cbs I believe). He can dominate but isn't an every down guy & even worse, it seems like he doesn't give what AH does on each play.

Please Bruce Allen & Shanny, if the Danny wants this guy waive the biggest red (not burgundy) flags you have!

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.

If by chance he did come here, the talk of moving him to an outside linebacker position is insane IMO . First I can't imagine him playing in space, or being on the plus side of thirty embracing a new and totally diferent position.

There's talk of moving other players to unfamaliar positions with the idea in mind of utilizing the 3-4 as the base defense, some of these concepts have me scratching my head.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

If by chance he did come here, the talk of moving him to an outside linebacker position is insane IMO . First I can't imagine him playing in space, or being on the plus side of thirty embracing a new and totally diferent position.

There's talk of moving other players to unfamaliar positions with the idea in mind of utilizing the 3-4 as the base defense, some of these concepts have me scratching my head.

Peppers has been wanting to go to a 3-4 for the last couple of years. He wants to be able to stand and rush the QB. However, he hates dropping in coverage. So he has a problem with just about any D you put him in, unless you allow him to stand and rush 100% of the time. Peppers is VERY VERY athletic and if he gave 100% on the field and off the field he would be one of the best OLB in the league. However, Peppers just doesn't have the motivation to play 100% all the time.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.

The problem with Peppers isn't really the total production, but the spread of it. After four games, the Panthers were 1-3, should have probably been 0-4 without some really fortunate bounces (literally) of the ball against us, and Peppers had basically given his team zero anything over that time frame.

The Panthers finished the season 8-8, three games out of a wild card spot, but with one of the best defenses in the league. Peppers was a large part of that. However, if he had played 16 games with the effort he played the final ten at, the Panthers could have been a playoff team.

The kind of team that has the most to gain from Peppers is the team that would already be a strong playoff team without him, but with him, could contend for the super bowl. New England would really be a good fit. Philadelphia, as well. Chicago maybe a little less so. For us, I think you'd get a monster player for the first 6 or 7 games, and then his production would kind of slip away into the background. Is that worth the money? It might be.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The problem with Peppers isn't really the total production, but the spread of it. After four games, the Panthers were 1-3, should have probably been 0-4 without some really fortunate bounces (literally) of the ball against us, and Peppers had basically given his team zero anything over that time frame.

The Panthers finished the season 8-8, three games out of a wild card spot, but with one of the best defenses in the league. Peppers was a large part of that. However, if he had played 16 games with the effort he played the final ten at, the Panthers could have been a playoff team.

The kind of team that has the most to gain from Peppers is the team that would already be a strong playoff team without him, but with him, could contend for the super bowl. New England would really be a good fit. Philadelphia, as well. Chicago maybe a little less so. For us, I think you'd get a monster player for the first 6 or 7 games, and then his production would kind of slip away into the background. Is that worth the money? It might be.

Tripp, how would you play Peppers in our team? Even if we put him at OLB opposite Orakpo, those two are not going to be rushing the QB all time, right?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Tripp, how would you play Peppers in our team? Even if we put him at OLB opposite Orakpo, those two are not going to be rushing the QB all time, right?

No, there's no way. They'd both come a lot, obviously, but both would be used in combination coverage schemes, particularly with covering blocking backs in man to man coverage and zone coverage in the hook-curl zone. I'd imagine Peppers is more of a raw talent compared to Orakpo, who is more of a strength-technique game. No idea who would play on which side, but a 3-4 defense does really need to be able to apply pressure from either side.

The Cowboys sucked at defense for a long time despite Ware being a rather raw phenom. When Spencer finally became a threat, their defense got really good, really quick.

None of this is to suggest that Carter/Alexander/Wilson aren't capable of being that threat on the other side at 20% of the cost of Peppers. I'm not sold on Peppers, but he'd be (if not Kampman) the guy in the front seven to go for in free agency, if anyone.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, there's no way. They'd both come a lot, obviously, but both would be used in combination coverage schemes, particularly with covering blocking backs in man to man coverage and zone coverage in the hook-curl zone. I'd imagine Peppers is more of a raw talent compared to Orakpo, who is more of a strength-technique game. No idea who would play on which side, but a 3-4 defense does really need to be able to apply pressure from either side.

The Cowboys sucked at defense for a long time despite Ware being a rather raw phenom. When Spencer finally became a threat, their defense got really good, really quick.

None of this is to suggest that Carter/Alexander/Wilson aren't capable of being that threat on the other side at 20% of the cost of Peppers. I'm not sold on Peppers, but he'd be (if not Kampman) the guy in the front seven to go for in free agency, if anyone.

I have said for the last couple of years that I would give Wilson a shot. I think he is a perfect fit for the OLB in a 3-4 base defense. When the guy gets on the field, which isn't a ton, he always seems to be around the QB.