'Ax Men' star's daughter mauled to death by dog

[SolidSnake84]

I agree with cpayne's argument. You can't blame the dog in some instances, but i dont think that is the point we are trying to make.

The point in this case is that this dog was already a problem, and had attacked before. Leaving a 4 year old around a known dangerous animal was not good either.

It's a sad death, and one that perhaps could have been avoided.

I know here in virginia, if a dog attacks a human to the point that the person is injured/requires treatment, then the dog is taken by the police. I am not 100% sure that they euthanize it right away, but i imagine they do.

I know this because my neighbor 2 houses down had one of his dogs attack a runner last summer. No charges were filed on him, but his dog was taken and put down by the animal control.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I agree with cpayne's argument. You can't blame the dog in some instances, but i dont think that is the point we are trying to make.

The point in this case is that this dog was already a problem, and had attacked before. Leaving a 4 year old around a known dangerous animal was not good either.

It's a sad death, and one that perhaps could have been avoided.

I know here in virginia, if a dog attacks a human to the point that the person is injured/requires treatment, then the dog is taken by the police. I am not 100% sure that they euthanize it right away, but i imagine they do.

I know this because my neighbor 2 houses down had one of his dogs attack a runner last summer. No charges were filed on him, but his dog was taken and put down by the animal control.

I missed this post somehow. There is actually a dangerous dog listing very similar to the sex offenders list. LE takes the dog after an attack, but generally they get returned to the owner if the owner agrees to stipulations, one being the bad doggy registration list.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

I missed this post somehow. There is actually a dangerous dog listing very similar to the sex offenders list. LE takes the dog after an attack, but generally they get returned to the owner if the owner agrees to stipulations, one being the bad doggy registration list.

In Virginia if I'm correct its either the dog is found not be a threat or its put down and the owner has no say in the matter.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by firstdown

In Virginia if I'm correct its either the dog is found not be a threat or its put down and the owner has no say in the matter.

Here's the dangerous dog registry...
VDACS - Regulatory Services - Animal Health and Welfare - Dangerous Dog Registry

The owner does have a say in the matter if the court does not rule that the dog must be euthanized. If the owner doesn't want the dog, it will probably be euthanized regardless. If the owner wants the dog, stipulations are placed, presumably.

[Daseal]

Cpayne, by snap I don't mean nice one second, mean the next. It's a complete change of mental makeup. They don't necessarily become super aggressive that second, but you notice that their personality is different and in general much more aggressive.

It's not common, but I've seen it happen to people that know a lot about dogs, and care for/love their dogs. Just like people, sometimes something happens.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Cpayne, by snap I don't mean nice one second, mean the next. It's a complete change of mental makeup. They don't necessarily become super aggressive that second, but you notice that their personality is different and in general much more aggressive.

It's not common, but I've seen it happen to people that know a lot about dogs, and care for/love their dogs. Just like people, sometimes something happens.

Well, then over time the owner has allowed the dog to change its behavior and get away with it. Most of the time they write it off as "that's just Scruffy being cute", or "Scruffy is getting cranky as she ages", etc. It's an excuse and most of the time it reinforces the behavior (treats, petting, etc). Proper discipline would nip it in the bud.

[BringBackJoeT]

What a tragic story. It's horrifying to imagine any human being dying this way.

I count myself among the others who are animal lovers, and I've always thought that Rotties are beautiful dogs. However, I agree with others who have said or implied that it is not shocking to learn of the breed involved in this case. The fact is that some breeds have, by nature (and/or through generations of breeding), edgier temperments than others. If an owner is to be faulted in a situation like this, I think it should be for not appreciating the higher level of maintenance that attaches to choosing a breed like a Rottweiler, and the natural risk that will be present if that level of maintenance is not applied.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

What a tragic story. It's horrifying to imagine any human being dying this way.

I count myself among the others who are animal lovers, and I've always thought that Rotties are beautiful dogs. However, I agree with others who have said or implied that it is not shocking to learn of the breed involved in this case. The fact is that some breeds have, by nature (and/or through generations of breeding), edgier temperments than others. If an owner is to be faulted in a situation like this, I think it should be for not appreciating the higher level of maintenance that attaches to choosing a breed like a Rottweiler, and the natural risk that will be present if that level of maintenance is not applied.

See I don't even think Rots and Pits attack anymore then other dogs its just when they do attack its usually not good.

[mredskins]

I have had dogs my whole life. Currently I have a mutt and a boarder collie. Growing up we had Irish Setters, a Gordon Setter and Golden's. None of those dogs were aggressive or ever snapped. Part of it was their breed and part was how we raised them.

To say a poodle will snap as fast as a Rottie is silly the Rottie is the more aggressive dog. It is just a fact of life some dogs are more aggressive then others. For example there are many types of fish, who would you swim with a goldfish or a great white?

I think Rottie's are beautiful dogs and I have meet many that are very good but they do tend to act without warning. My buddy had a male Rottie he was very pleasant and got along with everyone. One day while watching a football game one of my friends sitting next to this Rottie whistled during the game with no warning the Rottie bite him on the head. It literally took ten minutes to coax the dog to release his jaws from the guys head. That dog gave no warning it was pissed and had never bitten in the past. There are just some breeds you can't trust completely.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I have had dogs my whole life. Currently I have a mutt and a boarder collie. Growing up we had Irish Setters, a Gordon Setter and Golden's. None of those dogs were aggressive or ever snapped. Part of it was their breed and part was how we raised them.

To say a poodle will snap as fast as a Rottie is silly the Rottie is the more aggressive dog. It is just a fact of life some dogs are more aggressive then others. For example there are many types of fish, who would you swim with a goldfish or a great white?

I think Rottie's are beautiful dogs and I have meet many that are very good but they do tend to act without warning. My buddy had a male Rottie he was very pleasant and got along with everyone. One day while watching a football game one of my friends sitting next to this Rottie whistled during the game with no warning the Rottie bite him on the head. It literally took ten minutes to coax the dog to release his jaws from the guys head. That dog gave no warning it was pissed and had never bitten in the past. There are just some breeds you can't trust completely.

The dog did give warning, the humans around him didn't pick up on it. Dogs give warning. To say otherwise is simply wrong 100% of the time. Some dogs give more warning than others, but they all give off signs of what's going on in their head. It could be shaking, breathing differences, growling, drooling, any number of things.

The fish analogy is a bit off. Fish haven't been bred as pets and for human companionship. All domestic dog breeds have.

Every dog has a born in sense to use their defensive tools when they think things are going bad. Poodles will bite just as quickly as a Rott given the chance.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

The dog did give warning, the humans around him didn't pick up on it. Dogs give warning. To say otherwise is simply wrong 100% of the time. Some dogs give more warning than others, but they all give off signs of what's going on in their head. It could be shaking, breathing differences, growling, drooling, any number of things.

The fish analogy is a bit off. Fish haven't been bred as pets and for human companionship. All domestic dog breeds have.

Every dog has a born in sense to use their defensive tools when they think things are going bad. Poodles will bite just as quickly as a Rott given the chance.

Dude your totally wrong as I have seen dogs attack or snap out without any warning and I'm not talking Pits or Rots. Yes poodles may even be worse then alot of dogs but the damage they can do is nothing compared to pits and rots.

[GMScud]

Cpanye- you're obviously a big dog lover/owner, so I get your viewpoint. My closest friend has a 14 month old toddler that he is raising around two very sweet male labs (one chocolate, one golden). Totally incident free, and the dogs are great around the baby.

I don't have a dog, but I love them nonetheless. Great, great animals. All that said, I would definitely not raise a child around dogs. Sure, the chance of a well behaved dog attacking a child is slim to none. But you just never know what the kid may do to the dog during a moment when you may not be looking. This kid Jerry that I grew up with in my neighborhood had a gigantic half-moon shaped scar on the side of his face courtesy of a dog. Horrific story really. When he was 4 or 5 years old, he was sitting on the carpet eating some peanuts. The family dog (German shepherd) was hanging out with him. I guess Jerry harmlessly tried to feed the dog one of the peanuts, and accidentally stuck in the dog's nose. Of course a dog's nose is so sensitive, and this dog perceived it as an attack and latched on to Jerry's face. His father and brother beat the dog off of him, but he's permanently disfigured and they had to get rid of the dog.

Those kind of unpredictable situations are why I would never raise small children around dogs. Ever.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Cpanye- you're obviously a big dog lover/owner, so I get your viewpoint. My closest friend has a 14 month old toddler that he is raising around two very sweet male labs (one chocolate, one golden). Totally incident free, and the dogs are great around the baby.

I don't have a dog, but I love them nonetheless. Great, great animals. All that said, I would definitely not raise a child around dogs. Sure, the chance of a well behaved dog attacking a child is slim to none. But you just never know what the kid may do to the dog during a moment when you may not be looking. This kid Jerry that I grew up with in my neighborhood had a gigantic half-moon shaped scar on the side of his face courtesy of a dog. Horrific story really. When he was 4 or 5 years old, he was sitting on the carpet eating some peanuts. The family dog (German shepherd) was hanging out with him. I guess Jerry harmlessly tried to feed the dog one of the peanuts, and accidentally stuck in the dog's nose. Of course a dog's nose is so sensitive, and this dog perceived it as an attack and latched on to Jerry's face. His father and brother beat the dog off of him, but he's permanently disfigured and they had to get rid of the dog.

Those kind of unpredictable situations are why I would never raise small children around dogs. Ever.

You sound like you'd be a very responsible dog owner. You are saying a lot of the same things that I have further up. ^

You absolutely cannot leave a young kid like that alone with a dog. Kids just do not know how to act around dogs and can get themselves into trouble very quickly.

I couldn't imagine raising a kid without a dog or two around the house. It is a great social activity for both dog and child. I'm 27 and kids aren't really in the plans for me and my wife right now, but I definitely want my kid to grow up with a Rottie. Hopefully with the two that I have right now.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

The dog did give warning, the humans around him didn't pick up on it. Dogs give warning. To say otherwise is simply wrong 100% of the time. Some dogs give more warning than others, but they all give off signs of what's going on in their head. It could be shaking, breathing differences, growling, drooling, any number of things.

The fish analogy is a bit off. Fish haven't been bred as pets and for human companionship. All domestic dog breeds have.

Every dog has a born in sense to use their defensive tools when they think things are going bad. Poodles will bite just as quickly as a Rott given the chance.

Much like my buddy you have the Rottie owner complex that everyone thinks their Rottie is vicious and are scared of their Rottie, thus they feel they have to defend the breed at every turn. I love those dogs man! I love to have one but not with a two year old boy in my house.

And two things for the record the dog gave no warning I was watching him he was right in front of me and second if a dog is going to snap I will take a poodle bite over a Rottie bite every time.


I am not trying to fight with a fellow dog lover I am just telling you my life experiences with dogs and different breeds, if you believe different god bless you and have a great day.

[cpayne5]

Nope, got me pegged wrong. I don't think that everyone thinks my Rotts are vicious and scared of them. I would admit to plenty of complexes, but that isn't one of them.

I wasn't there with you the day the dog bit your friend, so I won't comment on what I think happened, but I have my ideas. It serves no purpose to keep going back and forth.

I grew up with probably a dozen different dog breeds (all sporting and working dogs). My experience with all those breeds is a factor in my conclusions. You should get a Rottweiler. I was very apprehensive when I got my first one, too, but I've found that they truly are no different than the other dogs I have had. If you're a dog lover who truly knows how to properly care for a dog, you can't go wrong.