'Ax Men' star's daughter mauled to death by dog

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Nope, got me pegged wrong. I don't think that everyone thinks my Rotts are vicious and scared of them. I would admit to plenty of complexes, but that isn't one of them.

I wasn't there with you the day the dog bit your friend, so I won't comment on what I think happened, but I have my ideas. It serves no purpose to keep going back and forth.

I grew up with probably a dozen different dog breeds (all sporting and working dogs). My experience with all those breeds is a factor in my conclusions. You should get a Rottweiler. I was very apprehensive when I got my first one, too, but I've found that they truly are no different than the other dogs I have had. If you're a dog lover who truly knows how to properly care for a dog, you can't go wrong.

Someday, I have wait for my current two to drop first, three would be too many!

Also, never ever get a Boarder Collie they are so damn smart they are impossible to "trick". Like if I have repair guy coming over I will tell the mutt look a bunny and he will run outside in to the gated back yard, works ever time! The BC will not fall for it,she gives you a look like there is no damn bunny out there it is winter jack ass, I am staying inside so I can sniff the repair guys balls!

[Schneed10]

See, the point is who the hell wants to live a life where a kid has to be supervised around the dog at all times? So I can't leave the room to get a beer, to go downstairs and put in a load of laundry, to hop in the shower real quick?

Dogs might have a 0% chance of attacking if trained properly, but training goes out the window if a kid cracks him in the nose with a sippy cup or pulls his tail.

The difference between a rottweiler or pitt bull and say a miniature schnauzer, is that the schnauzer will not kill a child when it attacks. And please, don't bother lecturing me and saying something like "well kids shouldn't be pulling dogs' tails". Well no shit, but they're kids, they do shit you don't want them to do and no parent can stop it 100% of the time.

And that's why the chance of attack is never 0% when you combine children and dogs.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

See, the point is who the hell wants to live a life where a kid has to be supervised around the dog at all times? So I can't leave the room to get a beer, to go downstairs and put in a load of laundry, to hop in the shower real quick?

Dogs might have a 0% chance of attacking if trained properly, but training goes out the window if a kid cracks him in the nose with a sippy cup or pulls his tail.

The difference between a rottweiler or pitt bull and say a miniature schnauzer, is that the schnauzer will not kill a child when it attacks. And please, don't bother lecturing me and saying something like "well kids shouldn't be pulling dogs' tails". Well no shit, but they're kids, they do shit you don't want them to do and no parent can stop it 100% of the time.

And that's why the chance of attack is never 0% when you combine children and dogs.

I never said that, Schneed. What I said is still accurate.

[SolidSnake84]

Hey guys, i looked at that dangerous dog listing, and not to sound morbid, it is good for a laugh.

Loudon County, VA has more dangerous dogs than any city on the selectable list.

No kidding, there was a dog named "Poochie", who broke through a neighbor's privacy fence and killed the neighbor's cat...

Other reports of numerous mail carriers being bitten, and sadly, a few people attacked that led to their death.

Check out the list....it's very informative.

[saden1]

Parents should be charged with manslaughter.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Parents should be charged with manslaughter.

Come on. They have lost a child isn't that enough punishment and to think they have to live knowing their actions lead to the childs death.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Come on. They have lost a child isn't that enough punishment and to think they have to live knowing their actions lead to the childs death.

The attack happened four months after officers had taken a Rottweiler from the same home after it bit an adult family member. The two Rottweilers at the Browning home have been quarantined.

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I still never leave them together alone though.

I would imagine leaving a child with a dog that bit an adult is a big NO NO. I don't see how leaving their child unattended with a vicious dog is different than driving drunk with a child in the back seat. Lock them up I say.

[over the mountain]

cpayne, i gotta agree with everyone else on this. there is just no way you can say there is a 0% chance of a dog attack if trained properly.

nothing in life is so absolute. i will say that there are different ways dogs act when they are in an alarmed/agressive state.

some dogs will bark

some dogs will bark and snarl

some dogs will bark, snarl and bite

some dogs will bark, snarl, bite and not stop biting. these are the killers, these are the dogs that just lose it once they are provoked or think they are provoked. most dogs, if they bite a human that is it but some dogs just dont stop once they start and thats how people get killed.

thats why vick was teaching those dogs killer instinct by putting poodles and labs in rings. for the pits that didnt have killer instinct, they would train it to kill.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

cpayne, i gotta agree with everyone else on this. there is just no way you can say there is a 0% chance of a dog attack if trained properly.

nothing in life is so absolute. i will say that there are different ways dogs act when they are in an alarmed/agressive state.

some dogs will bark

some dogs will bark and snarl

some dogs will bark, snarl and bite

some dogs will bark, snarl, bite and not stop biting. these are the killers, these are the dogs that just lose it once they are provoked or think they are provoked. most dogs, if they bite a human that is it but some dogs just dont stop once they start and thats how people get killed.

thats why vick was teaching those dogs killer instinct by putting poodles and labs in rings. for the pits that didnt have killer instinct, they would train it to kill.

Well, people are looking past what I said. The supervision part is key. I'm not saying a properly raised dog won't bite. Just about every dog has a tipping point. What I'm saying, is that you can tell when a dog is being provoked, or when the dog doesn't like something that's going on. Dogs don't snap, they lead up to aggressive behavior. Stop it when it starts, and you certainly can ensure a 0% chance of having something like this happen.

Check out this video of the Vick killers...
Meet the Rescued Michael Vick Pit Bull Dogs Now

PETA wanted these dogs put to death. Yes, that PETA.

[FRPLG]

cpayne I do agree this is the parent's fault in every way imaginable. I also think that dogs euthanized for biting is crap. I believe this because dogs, as well as other animals like say tigers and killer whales, all have a certain degree of wildness in them, domesticated or not. Their actions are predictable. I can predict that the best trained Rotty in the world still could go "Rotty" and eat someone's face off just like a Lab could. The issue is that a Rotty is more likely to do it in my opinion. It is simply not as clear cut as you make it. For the record, I have dogs and kids and have never seen either dog so much as turn a crooked eye towards my kids. I still never leave them together alone though.

[CRedskinsRule]

Tragic story. Wanted to clarify though, this was not the same dog that had attacked someone else, and the child and the dog were separated by a fence(at least as the parents thought)

"She had a little toy rake. She must have been raking little mole hills," he said. "D'ette went out to check on her and she was just laying there bleeding. The female rottweiler was standing there."

Jay Browning said D'ette and Jesse liked big dogs.They had gotten rid of an aggressive male rottweiler "a long time ago" and retained a male Labrador retriever and a male and female rottweiler.

He said the dogs were kept in a fenced backyard and it's unclear how one of them had gotten into the front yard.

a long time ago = 4months according to other stories.

Regardless, a little girl lost her life, and a lot of people lost her presence in their life

[djnemo65]

I don't know why everything has to devolve into a blamefest, one camp blaming the parents, one camp blaming the breed, others blaming both. Why can't something just be a tragedy? Rottweilers are in fact known as a relatively docile breed, albeit one with tremendous strength. This one blew its top for reasons we aren't privy too - that doesn't mean it's not safe to have dogs or this breed specifically around kids, and it doesn't even necessarily mean the animal wasn't raised properly (although perhaps it wasn't, who knows). Statistically speaking, the risk of a dog attacking a child is so minuscule that owning one can't be construed as dangerous...the point being that it's not fair to attack these parents as at fault, at least without substantially more information.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

I don't know why everything has to devolve into a blamefest, one camp blaming the parents, one camp blaming the breed, others blaming both. Why can't something just be a tragedy? Rottweilers are in fact known as a relatively docile breed, albeit one with tremendous strength. This one blew its top for reasons we aren't privy too - that doesn't mean it's not safe to have dogs or this breed specifically around kids, and it doesn't even necessarily mean the animal wasn't raised properly (although perhaps it wasn't, who knows). Statistically speaking, the risk of a dog attacking a child is so minuscule that owning one can't be construed as dangerous...the point being that it's not fair to attack these parents as at fault, at least without substantially more information.

I'll argee with this. Whne I was talking about Rots and Pits I was speaking from the stand point that I would not have one in my home. I don't have problem with people who choose to but its a risk they take. I'm sure I take risk all the time that others would not take.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'll argee with this. Whne I was talking about Rots and Pits I was speaking from the stand point that I would not have one in my home. I don't have problem with people who choose to but its a risk they take. I'm sure I take risk all the time that others would not take.

I agree , I do not have a problem with Pits and Rots , I just won't live with something that is capable of killing me . Welcome to Cesar Millan's Official Web Site | Cesar Millan I understand he is one of the most respected dog trainers around .

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by budw38

I agree , I do not have a problem with Pits and Rots , I just won't live with something that is capable of killing me . Welcome to Cesar Millan's Official Web Site | Cesar Millan I understand he is one of the most respected dog trainers around .

You're not married, I take it.