'Ax Men' star's daughter mauled to death by dog

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Raised and supervised properly, there is a 0% chance. If those two things don't exist, the chances, whatever they may be, are the same no matter the breed.

You're contradicting yourself. You said you have to correct them. If there was 0% chance then you would never have to correct them. I don't think anyone is saying these dogs, raised properly, aren't pet worthy. I think everyone is saying giving the risk factors, previous behavior and tendencies, then the dog should not have been in the house. It is the owner's fault for sure but it's hard to make an argument that this breed of dog isn't inherently more dangerous than say a lab. If only just a little.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

You're contradicting yourself. You said you have to correct them. If there was 0% chance then you would never have to correct them. I don't think anyone is saying these dogs, raised properly, aren't pet worthy. I think everyone is saying giving the risk factors, previous behavior and tendencies, then the dog should not have been in the house. It is the owner's fault for sure but it's hard to make an argument that this breed of dog isn't inherently more dangerous than say a lab. If only just a little.

No, I'm not. You stop behavior before it escalates to the point where someone can get hurt. Like I said, dogs have warning signs. When you first notice a warning sign, you can redirect its attention to let it know that that's not how you want it to act. Being a dog, it will listen to you, if you're firm. If you do nothing, the behavior will build to the point where either it fights or flees.

A dog doesn't have to bite someone in order to be taught that biting is not correct behavior.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

No, I'm not. You stop behavior before it escalates to the point where someone can get hurt. Like I said, dogs have warning signs. When you first notice a warning sign, you can redirect its attention to let it know that that's not how you want it to act. Being a dog, it will listen to you, if you're firm. If you do nothing, the behavior will build to the point where either it fights or flees.

A dog doesn't have to bite someone in order to be taught that biting is not correct behavior.

The point is though that your contention that there is zero percent chance is logically wrong. The chance can be mitigated to near zero but it requires you to be in constant supervision mode and to never allow interaction with the dog outside your presence.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The point is though that your contention that there is zero percent chance is logically wrong. The chance can be mitigated to near zero but it requires you to be in constant supervision mode and to never allow interaction with the dog outside your presence.

It's not logically wrong, it's just not something that people want to do.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

It's not logically wrong, it's just not something that people want to do.

But also not at all feasible if you have children, unless you plan to live a life where you never ever leave a room with the child and dog together. Which is ridiculous.

You might understand when you bear some young'ns.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But also not at all feasible if you have children, unless you plan to live a life where you never ever leave a room with the child and dog together. Which is ridiculous.

You might understand when you bear some young'ns.

Maybe.