Mega-Merge: 2010 Free Agency Rumors and Reports Thread

[Giantone]

[QUOTE=Pocket$ $traight;670704]Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

[Lotus]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

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Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

Many people, and not just people here, are assuming that the Rolle signing signals that Phillips is done.

[Giantone]

[quote=Lotus;670732]

Originally Posted by ;670729

Many people, and not just people here, are assuming that the Rolle signing signals that Phillips is done.

Like who,let's remeber what happens when we ........assume.

[Lotus]

[quote=Giantone;670749]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Like who,let's remeber what happens when we ........assume.

Let's see, the Giants just paid big bucks for a free safety when they already had one. If you can't do the math on that one, I can.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Many people, and not just people here, are assuming that the Rolle signing signals that Phillips is done.

From.....BBI

Notes and Quotes: Safety Antrel Rolle will wear #26 for the New York Giants.
Head Coach Tom Coughlin on safeties Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips: “The idea that this is associated with the Kenny Phillips situation is incorrect. We needed to answer some questions in terms of the safety position. This move puts in a position now where we feel this can be a really strong part of our team. We needed to really solidify and help the safety position based on last year’s experience. That’s the reason this objective was so important to us.”
Coughlin said that both Rolle and Phillips will play both safety spots. “They’re interchangeable,” Coughlin said. “Both safeties will find themselves in the half (covering half the field), in the middle of the field, down at the line of scrimmage, being involved in covering the lost. Both safeties will be interchangeable in terms of their ability to be multi-functional. Both safeties will be involved in the pressure package.”
Coughlin on Rolle: “Antrel is an energetic, very likeable, bubbly young guy who is very, very impressive in terms of his ability, his football knowledge and his desire to learn more and to know more about the game. He really enjoys sitting in the room with a tape on, talking football. He made a very, very favorable impression that way with all of us.”
Rolle on how good he think a safety combination of him and Kenny Phillips can be: “The best in the league, hands down. I know what we’re capable of, and I know, as a unit, what abilities we have in order to get things done. It’s going to be up to us to establish that relationship and that chemistry to make sure we’re on the same page and to make sure we’re all one within this secondary. The sky’s the limit for us. We’re definitely going to go out there and make things happen.”

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

From.....BBI

Notes and Quotes: Safety Antrel Rolle will wear #26 for the New York Giants.
Head Coach Tom Coughlin on safeties Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips: “The idea that this is associated with the Kenny Phillips situation is incorrect. We needed to answer some questions in terms of the safety position. This move puts in a position now where we feel this can be a really strong part of our team. We needed to really solidify and help the safety position based on last year’s experience. That’s the reason this objective was so important to us.”
Coughlin said that both Rolle and Phillips will play both safety spots. “They’re interchangeable,” Coughlin said. “Both safeties will find themselves in the half (covering half the field), in the middle of the field, down at the line of scrimmage, being involved in covering the lost. Both safeties will be interchangeable in terms of their ability to be multi-functional. Both safeties will be involved in the pressure package.”
Coughlin on Rolle: “Antrel is an energetic, very likeable, bubbly young guy who is very, very impressive in terms of his ability, his football knowledge and his desire to learn more and to know more about the game. He really enjoys sitting in the room with a tape on, talking football. He made a very, very favorable impression that way with all of us.”

Rolle on how good he think a safety combination of him and Kenny Phillips can be: “The best in the league, hands down. I know what we’re capable of, and I know, as a unit, what abilities we have in order to get things done. It’s going to be up to us to establish that relationship and that chemistry to make sure we’re on the same page and to make sure we’re all one within this secondary. The sky’s the limit for us. We’re definitely going to go out there and make things happen.”

Like who,let's remeber what happens when we ........assume.

your words, not mine.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

your words, not mine.

nope, that was a quote from Lotus.(i think)

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Giantone

From.....BBI

Notes and Quotes: Safety Antrel Rolle will wear #26 for the New York Giants.
Head Coach Tom Coughlin on safeties Antrel Rolle and Kenny Phillips: “The idea that this is associated with the Kenny Phillips situation is incorrect. We needed to answer some questions in terms of the safety position. This move puts in a position now where we feel this can be a really strong part of our team. We needed to really solidify and help the safety position based on last year’s experience. That’s the reason this objective was so important to us.”
Coughlin said that both Rolle and Phillips will play both safety spots. “They’re interchangeable,” Coughlin said. “Both safeties will find themselves in the half (covering half the field), in the middle of the field, down at the line of scrimmage, being involved in covering the lost. Both safeties will be interchangeable in terms of their ability to be multi-functional. Both safeties will be involved in the pressure package.”
Coughlin on Rolle: “Antrel is an energetic, very likeable, bubbly young guy who is very, very impressive in terms of his ability, his football knowledge and his desire to learn more and to know more about the game. He really enjoys sitting in the room with a tape on, talking football. He made a very, very favorable impression that way with all of us.”
Rolle on how good he think a safety combination of him and Kenny Phillips can be: “The best in the league, hands down. I know what we’re capable of, and I know, as a unit, what abilities we have in order to get things done. It’s going to be up to us to establish that relationship and that chemistry to make sure we’re on the same page and to make sure we’re all one within this secondary. The sky’s the limit for us. We’re definitely going to go out there and make things happen.”

They used the same words we used for ST (RIP) & Landry. Theirs won't be as good as ours would've been.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

They used the same words we used for ST (RIP) & Landry. Theirs won't be as good as ours would've been.

...ok.:confused:

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Giantone

...ok.:confused:

It just needed to be pointed out.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

It just needed to be pointed out.

..............what did?

[Pocket$ $traight]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

QUOTE]

Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

I don't know anything more than what the experts have published but Phillips played free safety and the Giants just paid 37 million for a free safety. Now maybe Phillips has a year or two left in him but he has arthritis in his knee and is coming off of a season ending hip injury. Either way, it doesn't seem like they felt like they could count on Phillips as a long term solution.

From the outside, I thought the G-men needed a linebacker more than a safety.

The G-men's FO is pretty good normally and for them to make an unusual move like this may be a signal.

[12thMan]

[quote=Giantone;670729]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Sorry, I hate to burst your bubble but Kenny Phillips is probably done. They wouldn't have needed Rolle if Phillips was going to be able to play the way he did before he got hurt.

QUOTE]

Nope , may I remind you we will have a new DC,and a new scheme.

What is it that you know about KP that no other expert knows,that makes you believe he is done?

What is that supposed to mean? I think the Giants are going to have some issues on the defensive side of the ball again this year. Last year they yielded nearly 30 points per game, Osi Umenyiora still isn't happy about being benched and you axed, arguably, the best play caller in football: Antonio Pierce. And they just made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in football history. (though the final point is relative nowadays). He's good, but I don't know about that one.

My point is the Giants simply don't have a scheme problem, there are personnel issues they have to address this offseason. Can Kenny Phillips rebound coming off injured reserve, there's still no clear cut successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle, and can Rolle have an immediate impact on a defense that gave up over 40 points three times last year?

[Giantone]

[quote=12thMan;670737]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What is that supposed to mean? I think the Giants are going to have some issues on the defensive side of the ball again this year. Last year they yielded nearly 30 points per game, Osi Umenyiora still isn't happy about being benched and you axed, arguably, the best play caller in football: Antonio Pierce. And they just made Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety in football history. (though the final point is relative nowadays). He's good, but I don't know about that one.

My point is the Giants simply don't have a scheme problem, there are personnel issues they have to address this offseason. Can Kenny Phillips rebound coming off injured reserve, there's still no clear cut successor to Antonio Pierce in the middle, and can Rolle have an immediate impact on a defense that gave up over 40 points three times last year?

Thanks, but the "issues " ...your word not mine are fixable and not a reason of panic(or hope to opponents)for the Giants.Yup they gave up 40 3 times last year lets look at the IR roster for the Giants,Goff will be fine at Mlber,just keeping our D line healthy,plus the addition of Rolle and we win half of what we lost.Please feel free to underestimate wether Rolle can help or not ,please keep telling yourself these things if it helps you sleep better at night.

[12thMan]

[quote=Giantone;670748]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Thanks, but the "issues " ...your word not mine are fixable and not a reason of panic(or hope to opponents)for the Giants.Yup they gave up 40 3 times last year lets look at the IR roster for the Giants,Goff will be fine at Mlber,just keeping our D line healthy,plus the addition of Rolle and we win half of what we lost.Please feel free to underestimate wether Rolle can help or not ,please keep telling yourself these things if it helps you sleep better at night.

Actually telling myself that the Giants will suck next year does make me sleep better. And if you think the Giants can make the leap from giving up 40 points 3 times and nearly 30 per game(okay, 26.7 to be exact), good luck with that. Rolle is good but he ain't great, and the Giants just made him the highest paid safety of all time.

This is their third defensive coordinator in as many years and I know you threw out Goff's name, but I'm not so sure it's clear who the middle guy is going to be him or Blackburn. These aren't just "fixable"...your word not mine, solutions.