More Waisted Tax Money 2010 Census

[tryfuhl]

prelim mailings are done to increase sendback rate, it works

it's also to open your eyes up to potential scams.. so if someone in a month comes by.. or you've already done something, etc

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

prelim mailings are done to increase sendback rate, it works

it's also to open your eyes up to potential scams.. so if someone in a month comes by.. or you've already done something, etc

Not so sure about stopping scams but I guess next time I do a mailing I'll send a mailing prior telling the customer I will be doing a mailing. Then I will send the mailing refering to the prior mailing and if I do not get a response I will send a reminder mailing about the other two mailings. Before any of the mailings go out I will send an employee to get their GPS location and confirm their location. Then if none of this works I will send another employee out to get the survey done in person which could have been done by the guy who went to get their GPS location before any mailing went out. Boy just wait until we get federal health care. I guess I'll have to mail them a claim notice prior to myself getting injured or sick.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not so sure about stopping scams but I guess next time I do a mailing I'll send a mailing prior telling the customer I will be doing a mailing. Then I will send the mailing refering to the prior mailing and if I do not get a response I will send a reminder mailing about the other two mailings. Before any of the mailings go out I will send an employee to get their GPS location and confirm their location. Then if none of this works I will send another employee out to get the survey done in person which could have been done by the guy who went to get their GPS location before any mailing went out. Boy just wait until we get federal health care. I guess I'll have to mail them a claim notice prior to myself getting injured or sick.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Not so sure about stopping scams but I guess next time I do a mailing I'll send a mailing prior telling the customer I will be doing a mailing. Then I will send the mailing refering to the prior mailing and if I do not get a response I will send a reminder mailing about the other two mailings. Before any of the mailings go out I will send an employee to get their GPS location and confirm their location. Then if none of this works I will send another employee out to get the survey done in person which could have been done by the guy who went to get their GPS location before any mailing went out. Boy just wait until we get federal health care. I guess I'll have to mail them a claim notice prior to myself getting injured or sick.

That could be cost effective for you but you got to figure out if that's true for you. Let's do some rough math to figure out whether it's worth it for taxpayers to pay for sending out these notification letters.

Given:
1. The government saves 85 million for every 1 percent of forms returned.
2. The current estimate of the number of households in the united states is 115 million which implies 115 million notification letters will initially be sent out (assuming since we really don't know if everyone was sent a notification letter).
3. The USPO bulk mail rate is $0.233 per mail (this number is conservative).

If you do the math it costs the government $26,795,000 (115 million * 0.233) to send these notification letters. At cost of ~27 million and the potential of saving 510 million to 1.02 billion sending these notifications is a no brainer even if you don't take into consideration printing cost. Hell, if sending these notification gets 0.5% more people to respond you should send them out!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by saden1

That could be cost effective for you but you got to figure out if that's true for you. Let's do some rough math to figure out whether it's worth it for taxpayers to pay for sending out these notification letters.

Given:
1. The government saves 85 million for every 1 percent of forms returned.
2. The current estimate of the number of households in the united states is 115 million which implies 115 million notification letters will initially be sent out (assuming since we really don't know everyone was sent a notification letter).
3. The USPO bulk mail rate is $0.233 per mail (this is number is conservative).

If you do the math it costs the government $26,795,000 (115 million * 0.233) to send these notification letters. At cost of ~27 million and the potential of saving 510 million to 1.02 billion sending these notifications is a no brainer even if you don't take into consideration printing cost. Hell, if sending these notification gets 0.5% more people to respond you should send them out!

So there's a method to the madness... amazing

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

So there's a method to the madness... amazing

It is only madness if you don't understand...to understand is to ask why. Unfortnatly many folks seem content with their madness.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

That could be cost effective for you but you got to figure out if that's true for you. Let's do some rough math to figure out whether it's worth it for taxpayers to pay for sending out these notification letters.

Given:
1. The government saves 85 million for every 1 percent of forms returned.
2. The current estimate of the number of households in the united states is 115 million which implies 115 million notification letters will initially be sent out (assuming since we really don't know if everyone was sent a notification letter).
3. The USPO bulk mail rate is $0.233 per mail (this number is conservative).

If you do the math it costs the government $26,795,000 (115 million * 0.233) to send these notification letters. At cost of ~27 million and the potential of saving 510 million to 1.02 billion sending these notifications is a no brainer even if you don't take into consideration printing cost. Hell, if sending these notification gets 0.5% more people to respond you should send them out!

Got mine yesterday the printing cost should be fairly low on these all the paper that was used was very low quality.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

That could be cost effective for you but you got to figure out if that's true for you. Let's do some rough math to figure out whether it's worth it for taxpayers to pay for sending out these notification letters.

Given:
1. The government saves 85 million for every 1 percent of forms returned.
2. The current estimate of the number of households in the united states is 115 million which implies 115 million notification letters will initially be sent out (assuming since we really don't know if everyone was sent a notification letter).
3. The USPO bulk mail rate is $0.233 per mail (this number is conservative).

If you do the math it costs the government $26,795,000 (115 million * 0.233) to send these notification letters. At cost of ~27 million and the potential of saving 510 million to 1.02 billion sending these notifications is a no brainer even if you don't take into consideration printing cost. Hell, if sending these notification gets 0.5% more people to respond you should send them out!

Good post but your numbers are wrong. The article in your link talks about all their advertising saving us 85 million not this mailing. I'm guessing they have been taking some heat over this so they through together this letter and those numbers.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Good post but your numbers are wrong. The article in your link talks about all their advertising saving us 85 million not this mailing. I'm guessing they have been taking some heat over this so they through together this letter and those numbers.

its funny how when you disagree with something, the numbers are always wrong. how about backing up your claim with some facts?

[Trample the Elderly]

Just because I'm crazy doesn't mean I'm wrong.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Just because I'm crazy doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Have you heard of the infinite monkey theorem?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

its funny how when you disagree with something, the numbers are always wrong. how about backing up your claim with some facts?

Or you could just read my first post and follow the link in it:

Originally Posted by saden1

It's a way to funnel some much needed cash to the post office. Or it could be that there is real benefit to sending these letters:

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

its funny how when you disagree with something, the numbers are always wrong. how about backing up your claim with some facts?

Just click on the link Saden provided. He was saying that the 85 million was saved from the results of the mailing and the 85 million was save from all the advertising done. His post was good and I understand what his point was but he just used the numbers wrong.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Just click on the link Saden provided. He was saying that the 85 million was saved from the results of the mailing and the 85 million was save from all the advertising done. His post was good and I understand what his point was but he just used the numbers wrong.

What I was saying is for every 1% increase in form returns 85 million dollars is saved. This information is available in the links I provided. The census people claim that sending out the notification letters increase the rate of return by 6% to 12%. I tend to believe them. Furthermore, we could save a hell of a lot more than 85 million.