Maake Kemoeatu DT signs 2yr $7million deal

[12thMan]

So bottom line -- I feel bad I don't know who this guy really is -- is he an upgrade over Griff? Provided he's healthy, of course.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So bottom line -- I feel bad I don't know who this guy really is -- is he an upgrade over Griff? Provided he's healthy, of course.

considering Griff is barely 300lbs, i'd say so although i highly doubt Kemoeatu is expected to be a long-term solution. is this our first samoan player?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So bottom line -- I feel bad I don't know who this guy really is -- is he an upgrade over Griff? Provided he's healthy, of course.

Oh yeah. Griff isn't a 3-4 Nose. DTs are not equivalent to Nose tackles. Good Noses are maybe they most rare player in the league. They need to be big, strong and agile. There are like 5 that are any good and everyone else pretends. AH could be the best but it would be a waste of his talents. This guy is perfect. He's big and strong and has performed. Montgomery has the size but his lack of motor could kill him at Nose because it is a motor position. He'd need to light a serious fire under his ass to do it well. Otherwise he'd be one of the pretenders.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Oh yeah. Griff isn't a 3-4 Nose. DTs are not equivalent to Nose tackles. Good Noses are maybe they most rare player in the league. They need to be big, strong and agile. There are like 5 that are any good and everyone else pretends. AH could be the best but it would be a waste of his talents. This guy is perfect. He's big and strong and has performed. Montgomery has the size but his lack of motor could kill him at Nose because it is a motor position. He'd need to light a serious fire under his ass to do it well. Otherwise he'd be one of the pretenders.

Sure I completely understand the difference between the two, just generally speaking it sounds like he's more effective at his position than Griff was/is at his. If that makes sense. I think you answered my question though.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he works out during training camp.

And no, this isn't our first Samoan player. Joe Salave'a was the first or at least the most recent.

[Ruhskins]

Looks like the team did its homework with putting together this contract. Had this been a Vinny signing, of the 7 mil, 5 mil would have been guaranteed or something crazy like that.

From Jason Reid:

Kemoeatu agreed to a two-year contract worth $7 million. Though an exact breakdown wasn't available, it's believed relatively little of the money is guaranteed. Because he's recovering from a severe injury, the contract is loaded with workout and roster bonuses. Put simply, if
Kemoeatu heals and plays, he gets paid.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Looks like the team did its homework with putting together this contract. Had this been a Vinny signing, of the 7 mil, 5 mil would have been guaranteed or something crazy like that.

From Jason Reid:

This also fits my proposition, that the FO is skimping on guaranteed money, and making players show what they can do first.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Looks like the team did its homework with putting together this contract. Had this been a Vinny signing, of the 7 mil, 5 mil would have been guaranteed or something crazy like that.

From Jason Reid:

nice

[BigHairedAristocrat]

OT with our 1st, best NT/OT available with our 2nd, and RB with our 4th sure would make me happy on draft day.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree. I also doubt that he's garaunteed anything in 2011 either. There's really no risk here, assuming our docs felt he had a good chance of getting healthy. If he is, then our starting 3-4 and 4-3 front 7 lineups are close to being set. Haynesworth will be playing 3-4DE/4-3DT and Orakpo will be right beside/behind him ... thats going to be scary. Really, we can now switch between 3-4 and 4-3 formations without having to change our personnel, since Orakpo would be our 3-4 linebacker and 4-3 DE. That statement about us running a 3-4 defense with a 4 man front makes alot more sense now.

Something positive from BHA??? What's this world coming to!!!

[sandtrapjack]

If shifting to the 3-4, a big 0 technique NT is needed to occupy 2 O-linmen on every play. This guy has that size and in the past has shown that motor.

But the fact that he only signed a two-year deal shows caution, which is a good thing.

But looking at his career I see a guy that has not been on a foootball field in a year. Has not been in on a sack in 5 years. When he was good, he was real good. As the Panthers defense was a good one when he was clogging up the middle. After he went down with that achilles, that defense suffered.

But a guy that big that has not been on a football field in over a year, that just screams of a big man that will take a lot of effort just to get back in football shape.

And as history shows, with an achilles tear, the rehab and return to action is approx 1 year. But it is not until the second year the player returns to form.

So signing just a 2 year deal was a smart move by the front office. A lot of wait and see wrapped up in this if you ask me.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

If shifting to the 3-4, a big 0 technique NT is needed to occupy 2 O-linmen on every play. This guy has that size and in the past has shown that motor.

But the fact that he only signed a two-year deal shows caution, which is a good thing.

But looking at his career I see a guy that has not been on a foootball field in a year. Has not been in on a sack in 5 years. When he was good, he was real good. As the Panthers defense was a good one when he was clogging up the middle. After he went down with that achilles, that defense suffered.

But a guy that big that has not been on a football field in over a year, that just screams of a big man that will take a lot of effort just to get back in football shape.

And as history shows, with an achilles tear, the rehab and return to action is approx 1 year. But it is not until the second year the player returns to form.

So signing just a 2 year deal was a smart move by the front office. A lot of wait and see wrapped up in this if you ask me.

I guess the upside, if there is any, about his injury is that it did occur during the first day of training camp last year.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

If shifting to the 3-4, a big 0 technique NT is needed to occupy 2 O-linmen on every play. This guy has that size and in the past has shown that motor.

That doesn't sound like Jay Ratliff at all Sandtrap. Shame on you, you should know better

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

That doesn't sound like Jay Ratliff at all Sandtrap. Shame on you, you should know better

True, but you should know there is always an "exception to the rule" somewhere. Take the NBA and a little guy named Spud Webb. A 5' 6" point guard that could dunk, and dunk well enough to win the slam dunk competition in 1986.

We lucked out with Ratliff honestly. He was drafted in the 7th round as a DE. We had Jason Ferguson as the NT at the time.

Rat struggled as DE for his first couple of years never cracking the starting rotation. And then Fergy got hurt and Rat was forced into converting to NT and never relenquished the job and we sent Fergy off to Miami for a draft pick.

The rest, as they say, is history.

[Longtimefan]

Eye towards the future hoping he'll have a full recovery. Two years at that amount seems to be a rather odd signing unless they anticipate him being able to go by September. He's a force when healthy.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Eye towards the future hoping he'll have a full recovery. Two years at that amount seems to be a rather odd signing unless they anticipate him being able to go by September. He's a force when healthy.

Yep, I remember getting upset when Dallas signed Marc Columbo after all of his knee injuries and rehab in Chicago. He was in Chicago for 4 years, never finished a season, missed an entire season. In his first 4 years in Chicago he had only played in 19 games, all due to injury.

And man am I eating my words now.