Mel/Todd Mock Draft 3.0

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

To all who are slamming Clausen, but Bradford would be OK. What makes Bradford so much better? I've put my Clausen argument out there. What in your minds makes Bradford a "can't miss", but Clausen a "major reach"?

And the Emu/douche/got punched in the face/he's gay/I hate ND arguments don't count.

I am not slamming Clausen, I just don't think he is currently worthy of the #4 pick in draft. Clausen is a very good QB who had great individual stats in 2008 and 2009, but his teams did not always do well. So that has hurt him a bit.
I think Clausen never beat a top 5 Nationally ranked team in all his years at south bend.
To be fair to Clausen, his Notre Dame teams were not very good team. But I would have liked to have seen Clausen beat a powerhouse SEC defense. There is no film of that.

Bradford had such a great (red shirt) freshman and sophomore seasons. As we all have heard Bradford most likely would have been the #1 pick if he had come out after his sophomore season. But he stayed and got hurt twice.

Clausen could some day be the best pro of the two. But right now he has not fully demonstrated that on the field against top teams. so that gives Bradford a slight edge at this point.
Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

First of all it was his hands. And second if he was a Notre Dame QB that spent most of his time in the weight room as opposed to the film room he'd be Brady Quinn.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I am not slamming Clausen, I just don't think he is currently worthy of the #4 pick in draft. Clausen is a very good QB who had great individual stats in 2008 and 2009, but his teams did not always do well. So that has hurt him a bit.
I think Clausen never beat a top 5 Nationally ranked team in all his years at south bend.
To be fair to Clausen, his Notre Dame teams were not very good team. But I would have liked to have seen Clausen beat a powerhouse SEC defense. There is no film of that.

Bradford had such a great (red shirt) freshman and sophomore seasons. As we all have heard Bradford most likely would have been the #1 pick if he had come out after his sophomore season. But he stayed and got hurt twice.

Clausen could some day be the best pro of the two. But right now he has not fully demonstrated that on the field against top teams. so that gives Bradford a slight edge at this point.
Clausen is a little on the skinny side. His arms are kind of small for a big time NFL player. It would be good if he spent some more time in the weight room, but that is not a big deal.

Good points Dwins and Jim, but Dirtbag certainly has the most compelling argument

I like Bradford, I think he'll be a good NFL QB. I think he'll take a year longer than Clausen due to his adjustment from being in a spread and from having superior talent around him. I like his measurables, good Wonderlic, not really worried about his shoulder.

What concerns me about Bradford is he was throwing to wide open receivers a lot, had a ton of time to throw, and had a great D. While none of these are a negative on him, it's hard to gauge how much of his success was truly his performance or was his performance a product of the system and team around him. Also, Stoops' QBs traditionally have put up very good college numbers but not had NFL success.

I think this is a moot point because Bradford will likely be gone at # 1, but if Clausen was gone and Bradford/Okung are at available #4, I take Okung. If I can trade down from #4 and get Bradford in the 11-16 range I wouldn't have a problem with that.

On a side note, SkinnyTee has the Skins in our Mock Draft, so I don't think you guys need to worry about Clausen getting picked at #4 there.