Mel/Todd Mock Draft 3.0

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why do people downgrade Clausen cause his teams didn't win? I think that's a terrible way to judge the guy. Did Clausen play defense for ND?????? He's was a damn good college QB. I'm just not sure I'd draft him at #4.

Good points

My mock draft as of today has us taking Trent Williams. It's a bit of a reach I know.

[Lotus]

^ I am not Clausen's greatest fan but I would argue that he provides more value at #4 than Trent Williams. That said, I'm not sure that I would draft either one at #4. Should Bradford or Okung be gone, I'd be inclined to take Berry or Suh/McCoy to maximize pick value.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ I am not Clausen's greatest fan but I would argue that he provides more value at #4 than Trent Williams. That said, I'm not sure that I would draft either one at #4. Should Bradford or Okung be gone, I'd be inclined to take Berry or Suh/McCoy to maximize pick value.

Berry wouuld probably fill more of an immediate need than Suh or McCoy, but i'd be happier with Suh or McCoy.... Phillip Daniels can't play forever. Haynesworth will only be here 3 more years. If we don't get another pass-rusher this year, we'll have to think about it soon enough. McCoy/Maake/Haynesworth on the line with Orakpo blitzing would make for one scary pass-rush.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Berry wouuld probably fill more of an immediate need than Suh or McCoy, but i'd be happier with Suh or McCoy.... McCoy/Maake/Haynesworth on the line with Orakpo blitzing would make for one scary pass-rush.

I'd rather have Berry that those guys. We have no one at FS right now.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I'd rather have Berry that those guys. We have no one at FS right now.

He's definitely a great player, there's no question about it. I just have a hard time justifying taking a safety that high. If you have a dominant pass-rush, you can get by with good, but not great safeties. The converse isnt necessarily true though. Our backfield once consisted of Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, and (for a short time) Laron Landry. It didnt really help us that much because we had no pass-rush. IMO its not a good idea to spend a top 5 pick on a defensive player that isnt a passrusher or dominant run-stopper. It'd be interesting to look at some previous drafts and see how front 7 vs. DBs worked out.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

He's definitely a great player, there's no question about it. I just have a hard time justifying taking a safety that high. If you have a dominant pass-rush, you can get by with good, but not great safeties. The converse isnt necessarily true though. Our backfield once consisted of Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor, and (for a short time) Laron Landry. It didnt really help us that much because we had no pass-rush. IMO its not a good idea to spend a top 5 pick on a defensive player that isnt a passrusher or dominant run-stopper. It'd be interesting to look at some previous drafts and see how front 7 vs. DBs worked out.

We have no FS. NT is a need but we've guys that can play it. No one we have can play FS. It's the same situation with LT.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

We have no FS. NT is a need but we've guys that can play it. No one we have can play FS. It's the same situation with LT.

there are always decent free agent safeties available. not the same with pass rushers. its also one of the least important positions on a team (if there is such a thing as least important player in a sport that requires everyone working in unison).