Redskins Sign Larry Johnson

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Sorry dude. I had to call you on this. Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis the 4th and 5th best RB of all time. Tell Ewan Macgregor to take the needle out of your arm, and no, babies cannot crawl upside down on ceilings.

Uhhhhhhhh......Sanders, Smith, Dickerson, Payton, Campbell, Brown, marcus Allen, Craig, Peterson, Tomlinson, OJ, Gale Sayers, Bo Jackson.......All of these guys I am sorry are better RB's than the two u mentioned. I know this thread isnt a who is the best of all time thread, but I had to make a rebuttle post when I saw that hazardous waste on the board.

Seriously, Martin and Bettis. I dont think Ive laughed so hard in my life.

Bettis was a very good back, but not even top 12 all time.

When I said they were 4th and 5th all time it was referring to their rushing numbers. It is my fault for assuming that you could figure that out, I will never make that mistake again.

You are welcome for the laugh. Since I laugh that hard every time you post something, I owed you at least one.

Now, please continue with the stream of consciousness of a 6th grade football fan.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Martin and Bettis are 4th and 5th all time respectively. I could see you saying that they aren't top 5 all time but how do you leave them out of the top 10?

Don't group me as a "hater", I have been for the LJ signing as soon as it happened. You can disagree, with it but the statistics are pretty clear cut for 30 year old rushers.

I know that there are plenty of 30 year old receivers who have been productive. You missed my point. You gave 6 examples of runningbacks who had a good season at 30 or older. One is the all time leading rusher in the league and two of the others are in the top 5 of ALL TIME.

IMO, I think that LJ will be a good back for us. I am not sure he will ever go into a season as our starter.

I would not put Martin or Bettis in an all time top 10 either. Football is a sport where the record book is not really the final say on who was best. For instance i think most people would agree that Emmit Smith was not the best RB of all time even though he holds the record. I have easily seen more then 10 RB's in my lifetime that I think are better then Martin & Bettis. They were durable and played well for a long time but many other RB's were better IMO.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by celts32

I would not put Martin or Bettis in an all time top 10 either. Football is a sport where the record book is not really the final say on who was best. For instance i think most people would agree that Emmit Smith was not the best RB of all time even though he holds the record. I have easily seen more then 10 RB's in my lifetime that I think are better then Martin & Bettis. They were durable and played well for a long time but many other RB's were better IMO.

But again, he was right in terms of them statistically being 4th and 5th best all time. And the fact that they were able to play consistently well for so long shouldn't be dismissed.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But again, he was right in terms of them statistically being 4th and 5th best all time. And the fact that they were able to play consistently well for so long shouldn't be dismissed.

True he was right in that regard. They are definitely great players who played at a high level for a long time, but I just wouldn't rate them top 10 all time. It doesn't really matter though...the fact that they rank so high statistically still supports the original point that was made.

[ethat001]

To be a running back you need three things, in this order:
1) An offensive line.
2) Talent.
3) A passing game.

As your talent goes away (ie. after 29-30 years old), you need a good offensive line (and passing game) to help keep punching out yards. If you look back at those older RB's you listed above - most of them had fantastic offensive lines and decent passing offenses. We don't have either. (I'm still rooting for him though..)

[SirClintonPortis]

People always ignore the fact Johnson only has 1421 carries.

[Skins4L]

We can use LJ... hell pound the hell out of the rock.
Hes a true power runner... but this wasnt my ideal pickup.

LJs 31... yep...Older than CP for all you Clinton haters so happy with the pickup.

I dont see this being a long term fit.

[12thMan]

Not to nitpick, but I guess I will anyway. LJ is a couple of months younger than Chester Peterson-Taylor who won't be playing behind one of the best offensive lines for the first time in a long time.

It will be interesting to see what Chester Peterson-Taylor will do in Chicago now that he's not playing behind one of the best, if not the very best, offensive line in all of football. He just never struck me as an every down back, but the Bears sure ponied up every down cash for him. We'll see I suppose.

I guess we can go ahead and re-title this thread, "Let's Nitpick About Larry Johnson Until Training Camp Starts" thread. I'm game.

On a side note, it's mind boggling that John Riggins finished his career with 2,916 carries. I guess they don't make them like they used to.

[BleedBurgundy]

i really don't like this move. I'd prefer to go younger in the draft. I'm concerned Shanahan is remember LJ from when he was ripping up the AFC West 4 years ago, and letting that cloud his evaluation of who he is today.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

i really don't like this move. I'd prefer to go younger in the draft. I'm concerned Shanahan is remember LJ from when he was ripping up the AFC West 4 years ago, and letting that cloud his evaluation of who he is today.

How does signing Johnson prevent us from drafting a runningback? LJ is a bridge from Portis to our next long term runningback (s).

So you think Mike and Bruce were watching film from Larry's 1700 yard seasons instead of Johnson's film from the last two years? Last year Johnson did nothing in KC. He went to Cincy and averaged 4.4 a carry and even broke the c-note once.

That is the problem around here. We are so used to complete f-ing imbeciles like Vinny and Zorn that we expect dysfunction.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

How does signing Johnson prevent us from drafting a runningback? LJ is a bridge from Portis to our next long term runningback (s).

So you think Mike and Bruce were watching film from Larry's 1700 yard seasons instead of Johnson's film from the last two years? Last year Johnson did nothing in KC. He went to Cincy and averaged 4.4 a carry and even broke the c-note once.

That is the problem around here. We are so used to complete f-ing imbeciles like Vinny and Zorn that we expect dysfunction.

I absoulutely agree.

[Lotus]

By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway.

That would be sweet.

[johno]

Originally Posted by Lotus

By midseason Montario Hardesty will start for us, anyway.

haha yesss, i would love that move. i dont know that he will still be around when we draft in the 4th though.

[cdskins26]

We could bring in Sean Alexander (again) and complete the jeopardy category: Running Backs Who Were Good in 2006. I still think we should take Clausen/Bradford first if they are available, take all O-Linemen the rest of the way unless a really good RB/CB falls to us and assess those problems next year. This is the kind of deal your FO makes when you draft a rookie to develop at the spot, or a proven running back could be the last piece to becoming a contender. This is a rebuilding year and a signing like this is not necessary.