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[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Audi

So they should have taken Mike Williams in 2002?

So the Jets shouldn't have taken Ferguson? We can go back and forth all day citing failures and successes.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

So the Jets shouldn't have taken Ferguson? We can go back and forth all day citing failures and successes.

So the Raiders should have taken Gallery over Rivers

[Audi]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

So the Jets shouldn't have taken Ferguson? We can go back and forth all day citing failures and successes.

That's a bad example for a couple of reasons.

Primarily, there was no comparable quarterback ranked that high. You don't reach.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Audi

That's a bad example for a couple of reasons.

Primarily, there was no comparable quarterback ranked that high. You don't reach.

Actually I would say that Leinart was a better prospect. We'll see if he develops this year but in that draft you could have easily gone for Leinart.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Actually I would say that Leinart was a better prospect. We'll see if he develops this year but in that draft you could have easily gone for Leinart.

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Audi

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

It's hard to question a man like Polian but at the same time even our mighty Vinnie mentioned things much later that corroborated with our draft choices and the success/failures of players.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

It's hard to question a man like Polian but at the same time even our mighty Vinnie mentioned things much later that corroborated with our draft choices and the success/failures of players.

That's in hindsight, though. What Bill Polian was saying is that going into the draft, it's obvious what general order the players are going to go in the first round. So if Matt Leinart suddenly turns out great in hindsight, that's awesome, but there's a valid reason he went #10 instead of in the Top 5, and it would not have made much sense for the Jets to "reach" for Leinart unless they knew something the other teams didn't, which is rarely the case.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Audi

That's in hindsight, though. What Bill Polian was saying is that going into the draft, it's obvious what general order the players are going to go in the first round. So if Matt Leinart suddenly turns out great in hindsight, that's awesome, but there's a valid reason he went #10 instead of in the Top 5, and it would not have made much sense for the Jets to "reach" for Leinart unless they knew something the other teams didn't, which is rarely the case.

Yeah, but he also said that in hindsight.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Audi

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

He only fell to 6th overall, certainly nothing like Aaron Rodgers the year before. And Bill Pollian? The guy who blamed the Super Bowl loss on the O-Line despite averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks? Screw that guy, he's a good talent evaluator but from now on I'll take things he says with a grain of salt.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

He only fell to 6th overall, certainly nothing like Aaron Rodgers the year before. And Bill Pollian? The guy who blamed the Super Bowl loss on the O-Line despite averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks? Screw that guy, he's a good talent evaluator but from now on I'll take things he says with a grain of salt.

??? Matt Leinart fell to #10.

Also, Bill Polian will most likely be vindicated. What he says might go against popular belief, but popular belief isn't always right. For example, the reason the "offensive line" was averaging over 5 yards per rush and allowing no sacks probably has more to do with Peyton Manning than the line itself.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Audi

The thing is, Matt Leinart fell quite a bit, and according to Bill Polian, there are little to no surprises in the first round of the NFL draft, only to "analysts" and "fans" who know a lot less.

I haven't read the entire post so maybe I am missing something but I think it is a little too early to assume that Leinart wasn't a good pick at 10. He has had some success and I am not going to assume he is a bust because they started a legitimate Hall of Fame candidate over him.

Leinart could still be a good QB whether he fell a few slots or not. If it wasn't for Reggie Bush fumbling, he would have been a 2 time National Champion.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

So the Jets shouldn't have taken Ferguson? We can go back and forth all day citing failures and successes.

QB is a far higher risk, that's the point.

There are also a lot more examples of highly-drafted QBs failing than succeeding, that decision has a bad track record.

[Lotus]

^ And, if you are right, a much higher reward.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ And, if you are right, a much higher reward.

Of course, but that's a gigantic IF.

As I said, Bradford does not seem like a sure thing, I don't think we should risk it, especially with more pressing needs...mainly O-Line.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Buster

Of course, but that's a gigantic IF.

As I said, Bradford does not seem like a sure thing, I don't think we should risk it, especially with more pressing needs...mainly O-Line.

Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.