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[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Buster

Of course, but that's a gigantic IF.

As I said, Bradford does not seem like a sure thing, I don't think we should risk it, especially with more pressing needs...mainly O-Line.

Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Well, ok. I have a different perspective. I think that Bradford and possibly Clausen will be very good NFL QB's and therefore will be worth the risk.

How long has it been since we had an elite QB? How long has it been since we're down 3 late in a game but we can think, "It's ok, we have ______ at QB," the way that Colts and Chargers can?

I have no problem with drafting Okung since the line needs help. But I also have no problem with drafting a QB at #4.

How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

How long has it been? I'd say since the early to mid 70's. I know you might slam me but as I remember growing up Theismann was not elite, but he got the job done. I can remember the announcers talking about how other said QB's were better % wise but we got to the SB with him.

I don't count Shroeder, Williams, or Rypien as elite QB's even though they got the job done and we all might argue now that they are elite. But at the time they were not considered elite.

Freotte, Green, Shuller, Johnson, George, Banks, Weurfel, Matthews, Ramsey, Brunell, Campbell, Collins, Colt or Grossman I definitly would not consider elite.

I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I essentially agree. Arguably, Sonny Jurgenson was the last "elite" QB that we had. Can't we change this? Instead of watching the Mannings and Rivers of the world beat us, how about if we had one of those guys on our team for once?

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

I don't deny such debacles. But the point remains that if one assumes a dogmatic "Don't draft a QB high, it's too risky" attitude, it also means missing out on folks like Manning.

The situation is too complex for pat, dogmatic attitudes.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

let's not forget that the colts (though under different leadership) were the ones to pick jeff george in the 1st round, number 1 overall even

Were the signs there that he was going to refuse to work?

As far as a pure passer, Jeff George was one of the best of all time. He put up video game numbers when he had Carter and Moss.