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[Audi]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Wow, tall request but here goes. These are first round QB's:

David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Rick Mirer
Heath Shuler (Sorry to toss that one at you)
Jim Druckenmiller
Ryan Leaf
Tim Couch
Akili Smith
Cade McNown

Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Audi

Can you tell me how these teams were held back by drafting a quarterback? For example, would the Redskins have been a perennial playoff team in the 90's had they taken someone else besides Heath Shuler within reason?

Indeed...

such as in the early 2000s on

what'd we do with a good line?

if you can make the argument that the line is our only weakness that's fine, hell even the biggest, it arguably is.. but a line alone won't do it

either way, we'll see offensive improvements with a better line.. does it mean we have to use pick 4 on it? nope

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Indeed...

such as in the early 2000s on

what'd we do with a good line?

if you can make the argument that the line is our only weakness that's fine, hell even the biggest, it arguably is.. but a line alone won't do it

either way, we'll see offensive improvements with a better line.. does it mean we have to use pick 4 on it? nope

The last real celebrated success this team has known was mainly due to the play of the offensive line. "The Hogs" you remember them. Some have gone as far as to say the entire group should be inducted into the HOF. I will never underestimate the importance of a great O-line, and how much it means to the success of a football team. That's why I will continue to sugest that Chris Samuels replacement be drafted because it's not likely we'll find him under any other circumstance.

Now I'll agree we don't neccessarily NEED to use the #4 pick for it to be mission accomplished, but it's a position that definitely has to be addressed, and I'm sure you would agree.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The last real celebrated success this team has known was mainly due to the play of the offensive line. "The Hogs" you remember them. Some have gone as far as to say the entire group should be inducted into the HOF. I will never underestimate the importance of a great O-line, and how much it means to the success of a football team. That's why I will continue to sugest that Chris Samuels replacement be drafted because it's not likely we'll find him under any other circumstance.

Now I'll agree we don't neccessarily NEED to use the #4 pick for it to be mission accomplished, but it's a position that definitely has to be addressed, and I'm sure you would agree.

I agree that the replacement needs to be found.. and agree that it doesn't have to be the #4, so I definitely agree.

If it is the number 4, awesome, if it's the 2nd round, awesome. If it's next year for a stud and we have someone who completes the spot this year, awesome. We can only wait so long and it's gotta be soon; this year or next.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The last real celebrated success this team has known was mainly due to the play of the offensive line. "The Hogs" you remember them. Some have gone as far as to say the entire group should be inducted into the HOF. I will never underestimate the importance of a great O-line, and how much it means to the success of a football team. That's why I will continue to sugest that Chris Samuels replacement be drafted because it's not likely we'll find him under any other circumstance.

Now I'll agree we don't neccessarily NEED to use the #4 pick for it to be mission accomplished, but it's a position that definitely has to be addressed, and I'm sure you would agree.

I'd say we probably have quite a few fans on here that weren't around for those days. OL needs to be addressed we only have 5 picks not including ?????? trades we need to pick wisely.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I'd say we probably have quite a few fans on here that weren't around for those days. OL needs to be addressed we only have 5 picks not including ?????? trades we need to pick wisely.

I know a lot of people my age that couldn't tell you anything about those times

I was young but I remember it well

then again 20 years ago was a different game, we had great chemistry on the line though, something that probably will NEVER fall out of fashion

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The last real celebrated success this team has known was mainly due to the play of the offensive line. "The Hogs" you remember them. Some have gone as far as to say the entire group should be inducted into the HOF. I will never underestimate the importance of a great O-line, and how much it means to the success of a football team. That's why I will continue to sugest that Chris Samuels replacement be drafted because it's not likely we'll find him under any other circumstance.

Now I'll agree we don't neccessarily NEED to use the #4 pick for it to be mission accomplished, but it's a position that definitely has to be addressed, and I'm sure you would agree.

Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

The entire line wasn't built on first rounders, and Lachey was a 1st rounder that we got in his fifth year in the NFL.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The entire line wasn't built on first rounders, and Lachey was a 1st rounder that we got in his fifth year in the NFL.

I know man, I'm just messing with you.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

No first rounders? LOL.

I'd be ok with drafting Bradford if we could at least have our LT position secure. At this point we haven't, and the idea of drafting Bradford with the line we have right now is scary.

And we don't even have two 1st rounders on the line we have now. The Hogs weren't all 1st rounders but they were good, that's more than we can say for the bunch we have now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

And we don't even have two 1st rounders on the line we have now. The Hogs weren't all 1st rounders but they were good, that's more than we can say for the bunch we have now.

Well with Levi Jones we technically would. We'd have Jones and Mike Williams

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

Your point is well taken Smoot, and I agree. My main point of contention concerns mainly the LT position, a position generally associated with a top draft pick because of it's importance. It's the most important position on the O-line and commands special attention.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sure, but "The Hogs" weren't built on first round picks

Russ Grimm (3rd round)
Mark May (1st round)
George Starke (11th round)
Jeff Bostic (undrafted)
Joe Jacoby (undrafted)
Jim Lachey (1st round-Chargers; joined Redskins in 5th season)
Raleigh McKenzie (11th round)
R.C. Thielemann (2nd round-Falcons; joined Redskins in 8th season)
Mark Schlereth (10th round)
Ed Simmons (6th round)

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