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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

i hear what your saying ruhskins but theres a flip side to it: sitting at the no 4 spot, this draft may be our best bet at actually being in position to land a potential franchise qb.

honestly, im going to trust shanny and allen's evaluations of whats best for the team. all things equal thoo, id prefer a potential franchise qb over a potential franchise LT.

i forgot who coined this phrase of most important positions to a football team but it goes:

qb
guys who protect the qb
guys who rush the qb

I'd be fine with taking a QB if we had JaMarcus Russell at QB last season, but we didn't. We can still pick up a damn good QB with the 2nd rounder, and let him learn for a year before he starts. I just hate for the team to once again go into the season with a suspect line and hoping that a bunch of older guys stay healthy. As I said, I know a first round LT is not going to fix the team right away, but you basically solidify the most important position in the offensive line for the next 9-10 years.

And as I said, I'm not sold on Bradford, everytime I hear the positives about him, I keep thinking 2.5 games played, twice injured shoulder. I'm sure he can be a very good QB, I just don't think he can be a good QB here nor do I want the team to gamble this high pick on him.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'd be fine with taking a QB if we had JaMarcus Russell at QB last season, but we didn't. We can still pick up a damn good QB with the 2nd rounder, and let him learn for a year before he starts.

The Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd round. The Jets took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round.

Neither have amounted to much despite the offensive lines put in front of them.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Audi

The Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd round. The Jets took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round.

Neither have amounted to much despite the offensive lines put in front of them.

Jackson looked good in preseason last year haha

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Audi

The Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd round. The Jets took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round.

Neither have amounted to much despite the offensive lines put in front of them.

If you want to cite the Jets, they almost went to the Super Bowl with a horrible, turnover-prone, innaccurate, rookie QB who only had to throw a dozen passes a game (and still threw 20 picks). This was because of their line and despite of a bad QB.


More proof what a top o-line can do for a team.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Buster

If you want to cite the Jets, they almost went to the Super Bowl with a horrible, turnover-prone, innaccurate, rookie QB who only had to throw a dozen passes a game (and still threw 20 picks). This was because of their line and in spite of a bad QB.

More proof what a top o-line can do for a team.

But why would you want to follow the exception rather than the rule?

That's like saying you rather not wear your seat belt because a few guys survived car crashes because they chose not to wear their seat belt.

If you look at not only last season, but the last ten seasons, it becomes obvious what the formula is for success.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Audi

But why would you want to follow the exception rather than the rule?

That's like saying you rather not wear your seat belt because a few guys survived car crashes because they chose not to wear their seat belt.

If you look at not only last season, but the last ten seasons, it becomes obvious what the formula is for success.

Picking up Tom Brady in the 6th round?

I don't think the Jets are an exception to the rule. I mean the Vikes were successful partly because their offensive line kept Brett Favre upright. The Dolphins offensive line has been one of the reasons their teams has done well despite having Pennington or Hennig. Baltimore has a great offensive line and have been successful because of it.

Granted not all of these teams drafted first round lineman..well actually they did, but they put a lot of effort into building their lines. Right now we have no line, and it'd be foolish to spend a high round pick that is either going to sit in the bench or would be thrown to the fire behind a suspect line.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Picking up Tom Brady in the 6th round?

I don't think the Jets are an exception to the rule. I mean the Vikes were successful partly because their offensive line kept Brett Favre upright. The Dolphins offensive line has been one of the reasons their teams has done well despite having Pennington or Hennig. Baltimore has a great offensive line and have been successful because of it.

Granted not all of these teams drafted first round lineman..well actually they did, but they put a lot of effort into building their lines. Right now we have no line, and it'd be foolish to spend a high round pick that is either going to sit in the bench or would be thrown to the fire behind a suspect line.

So why weren't the Vikings successful before Brett Favre? Why weren't the Jets successful WITH Brett Favre? The Dolphins went 7-9 last year, and the Ravens went 9-7.

The rule is you need good QB play or it doesn't matter how good of an offensive line is. That's why the Jets are an exception, similar to the 2000 Ravens who also saw fit to dump Trent Dilfer immediately after.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Buster

If you want to cite the Jets, they almost went to the Super Bowl with a horrible, turnover-prone, innaccurate, rookie QB who only had to throw a dozen passes a game (and still threw 20 picks). This was because of their line and despite of a bad QB.


More proof what a top o-line can do for a team.

and a top defense

and good rushing

so maybe that would've worked for us, who knows

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Audi

The Vikings took Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd round. The Jets took Kellen Clemens in the 2nd round.

Neither have amounted to much despite the offensive lines put in front of them.

And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep.

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Audi

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

And the Chargers dumped him and went after a first round QB, and well that worked out fine...but not SB fine. Also a 6th rounder by the name of Tom Brady also has done a few things here and there.

Look we get it, first round QBs typically do a good job, I just don't think one is right for the Redskins right now.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

And the Chargers dumped him and went after a first round QB, and well that worked out fine...but not SB fine. Also a 6th rounder by the name of Tom Brady also has done a few things here and there.

Look we get it, first round QBs typically do a good job, I just don't think one is right for the Redskins right now.

And how good was Tom Brady's offensive line? Check out how many times he was sacked in 2001.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Audi

And how good was Tom Brady's offensive line? Check out how many times he was sacked in 2001.

18 times, which was third for fewest sacks allowed. May you meant 2002...oh wait, they were in the top 10 of fewest sacks allowed.

Yes but you're diverting from your fanatical argument about first round QBs. Hell, wasn't Campbell a first round QB and now you're trying to get rid of him for another first round QB?

Again, I get what you are trying to say, I'm just not as fanatical about drafting a LT as you are about drafting a QB. I just think it makes sense given the success of a few teams that have been in similar situation as we have.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Audi

Drew Brees was taken #32. Now is he as a second round quarterback the rule or the exception? In the last fifteen years, the only second round quarterbacks to amount to anything close to being a successful starter are Jake Plummer and Drew Brees. And Jake Plummer was a seasoned veteran by the time he started being respectable.

I was hinting at him being the exception. DUHHHHH. Read the whole damn post next time.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I was hinting at him being the exception. DUHHHHH. Read the whole damn post next time.

It's kind of hard when the rest of your post doesn't make sense in any sort of context.

"And Drew Brees was also a second rounder. Draft position does not tell the individual player's skill abilities, it just represents how people viewed their likeliness to fail. Good 2nd round QBs probably come around the QB draft class is deep. "

Good 2nd round QBs probably come around what? When the QB draft is deep? If the QB draft is deep? Probably? That's the opposite of having an exception.