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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Audi

Please name the few teams that have been in similar situation that had success by drafting a LT in the first round and a QB in the second round as you suggested.

I meant teams in similar situations as us in general. Coming from a losing season, having strong defenses, and trying to rebuild. And by similar I mean similar, not the same situation. Well, the Dolphins are just about the same situation as I'm advocating for, drafting a franchise LT, and then taking a 2nd QB (Henne).

Now Baltimore didn't draft a first round tackle until last year, but they build a good line for Flacco's first year (picking up Gaither, and I believe Birk). I don't think their line was as bad as our when they drafted Flacco.

The Jets build a hell of a line before drafting Sanchez. They have two first-rounders they picked up (Mangold, Ferguson) and acquired Faneca in free agency.

Drafting a LT in the first round is not the only way to build a line, but given the fringe talent in FA (unrestricted) it's a good way to start the rebuilding process.

[luke4twenty]

I think we should take LT with the first rounder. I am not sold on Clausen or Bradford. Take a guy later on, or develop Colt, or let JC play a year under Shanny. Don't forget, maybe we can trade up and get Locker next year...lol.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I meant teams in similar situations as us in general. Coming from a losing season, having strong defenses, and trying to rebuild. And by similar I mean similar, not the same situation. Well, the Dolphins are just about the same situation as I'm advocating for, drafting a franchise LT, and then taking a 2nd QB (Henne).

Now Baltimore didn't draft a first round tackle until last year, but they build a good line for Flacco's first year (picking up Gaither, and I believe Birk). I don't think their line was as bad as our when they drafted Flacco.

The Jets build a hell of a line before drafting Sanchez. They have two first-rounders they picked up (Mangold, Ferguson) and acquired Faneca in free agency.

Drafting a LT in the first round is not the only way to build a line, but given the fringe talent in FA (unrestricted) it's a good way to start the rebuilding process.

The Dolphins weren't successful with Henne. The Ravens and Jets have all demonstrated the value of a quarterback with multiple first round quarterbacks and both having participated in trading up for a first round quarterback.

[Lotus]

^ One might argue that the QB pickings this year are slim. After Bradford and Clausen, every other QB has serious red flags.

One might also argue that the tackle class this year is fairly deep. That is, one could pick up someone like Ducasse in the second round and turn him into a very reasonable LT, with seasoning time.

If these two arguments are true, then if we are to build a new offense around a new QB and new LT, drafting QB first and T second might be the best choice.

All that said, I'll dance if we come home from the draft with Okung instead of a first round QB.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ One might argue that the QB pickings this year are slim. After Bradford and Clausen, every other QB has serious red flags.

One might also argue that the tackle class this year is fairly deep. That is, one could pick up someone like Ducasse in the second round and turn him into a very reasonable LT, with seasoning time.

If these two arguments are true, then if we are to build a new offense around a new QB and new LT, drafting QB first and T second might be the best choice.

All that said, I'll dance if we come home from the draft with Okung instead of a first round QB.

Too many good QBs out there to just relegate it to the top 4 as potential franchise Qbs. What are the red flags with Stull? Kafka had a pretty decent combine and did great at the Northwestern Pro day. What are the serious issues with Crompton from Tenn or Hall from BYU? The only guy that I have been touting since the end of the CFB season that I have been following in the combines that is suspect has been Canfield, whose arm was on the weak side and not accurate. Bradford and Clausen are hot but are not sure things, and if recent draft history has any bearing on this, it is that these higly touted college QBs also have a high failure rate at becoming franchise guys. The quality is there this year at QB in the draft past the top 4.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I meant teams in similar situations as us in general. Coming from a losing season, having strong defenses, and trying to rebuild. And by similar I mean similar, not the same situation. Well, the Dolphins are just about the same situation as I'm advocating for, drafting a franchise LT, and then taking a 2nd QB (Henne).

ruhskins, im sorry to be commenting on so many of your posts today buddy.

a good counter point to the miami scenario are the falcons. who selected matt ryan then sam baker.

who would you rather have? matt ryan and sam baker or chad henne and jake long? imo i dont really look at history or what worked or didnt work for other teams. nothing is the similar enough to warrant giving much weight to comparison analysis imo.

for every manning, there is a leaf. for every chris samuels, there is a mike williams. for every brady, there is a well .... a shit ton of 6th round qbs who didnt make it.

but i think you get my point. what worked or didnt work for the dolphins or falcons in 2008 or 2007 doesnt carry much weight to me when im making my fan opinion of how the skins should proceed.

ps/edit - i thought the qb v lt debate has been one of the more intriguing ones going on the past few months.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

ruhskins, im sorry to be commenting on so many of your posts today buddy.

a good counter point to the miami scenario are the falcons. who selected matt ryan then sam baker.

who would you rather have? matt ryan and sam baker or chad henne and jake long? imo i dont really look at history or what worked or didnt work for other teams. nothing is the similar enough to warrant giving much weight to comparison analysis imo.

for every manning, there is a leaf. for every chris samuels, there is a mike williams. for every brady, there is a well .... a shit ton of 6th round qbs who didnt make it.

but i think you get my point. what worked or didnt work for the dolphins or falcons in 2008 or 2007 doesnt carry much weight to me when im making my fan opinion of how the skins should proceed.

I'd be thrilled if we had the Falcons scenario, of having the luxury of two first round picks. As I've said, I'm not like some folks who think it'd be the end of the world if we drafted a QB. I just look at it this way....offensive line has been hands down a big issue for the team. Whereas QB, I don't think you could find a consensus, even among the pundits. With that in mind, I think the course of action should be to draft a franchise LT.

Now, could the Redskins draft Bradford and a 2nd round LT? Sure. To me it'd be the 3rd best option after drafting a LT at #4 and trading down from #4. I think we could find a tackle at the top of the 2nd round that could potentially start for us. I just feel more confident on a top 5 tackle being able to start right away, and let a second round QB sit on the bench for a year (as oppose to having Bradford sit on the bench for year or get behind the line that we have right now).