Jimmy Clausen has met with the Redskins

[12thMan]

I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.

[Lotus]

^ just for me, I'm worried about Clausen's ability to lead NFL players. They say he is a cocky jerk who does not inspire others to follow. I fear that rather than being able to rally the troops like a good QB should, others will tune him out because they are fatigued of his jerkiness. That is, he could become a Jay Schroeder. What do you say to this? Should I have this concern?

I'm not in love with others and would not mind too much if we drafted Clausen. But you asked, and that is my question. From what I understand about Bradford, I do not have the same concern about him.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

^ just for me, I'm worried about Clausen's ability to lead NFL players. They say he is a cocky jerk who does not inspire others to follow. I fear that rather than being able to rally the troops like a good QB should, others will tune him out because they are fatigued of his jerkiness. That is, he could become a Jay Schroeder. What do you say to this? Should I have this concern?

I'm not in love with others and would not mind too much if we drafted Clausen. But you asked, and that is my question. From what I understand about Bradford, I do not have the same concern about him.

From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.

Exactly

One solution: get Tebow!

haha

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.

That's what I've heard about Clausen. I don't know if it is true. But I do remember Redskins teams which did better with Schroeder on the bench. The offense's dislike of him showed on the field, it seemed to me at the time.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by Lotus

That's what I've heard about Clausen. I don't know if it is true. But I do remember Redskins teams which did better with Schroeder on the bench. The offense's dislike of him showed on the field, it seemed to me at the time.

Hmm, I seem to remember something of this.. I believe someone rose up to Superbowl MVP and someone else slid into obscurity..

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Redskin Jim

Hmm, I seem to remember something of this.. I believe someone rose up to Superbowl MVP and someone else slid into obscurity..

Yeah, without Schroeder we had an offense which won the Bowl (yay Doug Williams). With Schroeder, the offense sputtered. And the only real difference was Schroeder. He had the physical tools, it was just that he did not inspire folks to bring their A-game.

I don't know how much this thinking should or should not apply to Clausen.

[Lotus]

Skins will work out Tim T-bone.

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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know how much this thinking should or should not apply to Clausen.

Agreed. I seem to remember another Redskins QB who many thought was cocky and a prima donna, that turned out with a SB XVII win and a record setting offense in the next season.

A link from the OM Field on Clausen, not bad info:

The Om Field: The Jimmy Clausen Files

Also, thought you guys might like this:

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

From what I've heard about Jay Shroeder, he was just an all-around asshole 24/7. He was very aloof and he didn't even get along with guys on the offensive line. But hey, I don't know Jay Shroeder so take it with a grain of salt.

But we can't have it both ways. People say Campbell is too soft, not vocal enough, and somehow infer that he's not a passionate and capable leader. And now Clausen is too cocky and incapable of leading players. Well we don't know that for sure, do we? I tend to be in the camp if you're winning leadership takes care of itself. I think there really is a fine line between being an asshole and being passionate.

Well, the America's Game documentary for that Super Bowl year basically mentions that he conducted himself as if he was 'above' the o-line. It's on hulu.com if you're interested.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.

Is there ever a clear cut #1 player?
Was #1 Stafford better than #5 Sanchez?
Micheal Jordan was even not a #1.
This is not a science.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I still haven't heard a definitive argument as to why Bradford is a clear cut #1 pick and Clausen isn't.

For the record, I don't love either of them. But if the 'Skins draft one, I'd rather have Clausen.

There's not really any argument outside of the physical skills. Physically, what Clausen does very well, Bradford does a little better.

Neither is a huge red flag franchise killer type, like a Russell or Alex Smith. But there's also nothing special here. When people have to reference an "it" factor to make an argument in favor of one guy over the other, they're probably bs'ing.

I believe the Clausen/Bradford debate is essentially meaningless, but like you, I believe it's more dangerous in the case of Bradford because with Clausen there's a wide spectrum of opinion, as one should expect. He's probably somewhere between what McShay/Mayock think of him, and what Kiper think of him. There should also be that wide spectrum with Bradford, but dangerously (I think), people are willing to overlook it. They're not willing to overlook it with Clausen, which means he's going to get drafted at value, while Bradford is almost destined to be overdrafted.

Bradford is probably a lot closer to Clausen than anyone seems to expect. Which is fine if the Rams get him, because I don't care about the Rams. Hopefully, they add a receiver and he gets good.