Updated: Redskins to hold private workouts with Tebow and Bradford

[MTK]

Despite how trendy it's been lately to play a rookie QB from day 1, I don't like the idea unless you have a strong cast around him, which we don't have.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Despite how trendy it's been lately to play a rookie QB from day 1, I don't like the idea unless you have a strong cast around him, which we don't have.

I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.

Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.

This is why I would be doing whatever I have to do to get whatever QB Shanny rates as the best. If Shanny wants Bradford then they need to bite the bullet and trade up to #1 and get him. If it's Clausen they need to take him at #4. Either way, I think it is imperative that the Redskins leave this draft with the guy they view as the long term QB on the roster.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Bam! and this is my issue. I betting JC is not here next year. He'll have another year of mediocracy, the front office will not renew his contract, and we will be stuck with SexyRexy who is not a franchise QB and a late round QB like Colt Brennan, only Colt has a couple of years in the league vs. a Rookie who will take just as long about 2-3 yrs to get up to speed.

If were in that mode then everyone better hope Colt comes out banging. Otherwise we are screwed. Which is why I'd rather pick a QB high in this yrs draft and if he's the best QB we have play him if not he has a yr to get up to speed in order to replace JC.

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.

Actually remember that either Colt or Grossman would be left out. It is a pretty dicey situation but worse comes to worse you could apply the tranistion tag to JC or find a veteran to bring in. The team is 2 or 3 years away from competing anyway but at the same time we have a heavy emphasis on the run so Tebow won't be left out in the cold. I think though that he will develop faster then people think but all of this could be moot. Personally Tebow reminds me of a shorter and more wholesome version of Big Ben.

Also remember that Flacco and Ben had pretty smooth transitions from the spread in college so while the spread offense is a deterent it's still not a deal breaker especially when it comes to early success.

[Dirtbag59]

Is it just me or has the support for Tebow really picked up in the last day or two?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Actually remember that either Colt or Grossman would be left out. It is a pretty dicey situation but worse comes to worse you could apply the tranistion tag to JC or find a veteran to bring in. The team is 2 or 3 years away from competing anyway but at the same time we have a heavy emphasis on the run so Tebow won't be left out in the cold. I think though that he will develop faster then people think but all of this could be moot. Personally Tebow reminds me of a shorter and more wholesome version of Big Ben.

Also remember that Flacco and Ben had pretty smooth transitions from the spread in college so while the spread offense is a deterent it's still not a deal breaker especially when it comes to early success.

Why is the team 2-3 years from competing? I think this is an inaccurate cliche when teams are "rebuilding".

Between not having a kicker born with the Tony Romo gag reflex (2 wins) Shanahan (2-3 wins), a well exected draft, a couple more good FA signings and a couple of good bounces this team could win 9 or 10 games next year. If I had to bet, I would say 7-9 or 8-8 but 10-6 would not shock me. Miami went from 1-15 to the playoffs and Atlanta did a similar turnaround in the same year.

Hell they started out 6-2 with a complete jackass running things. Anything could happen.

With the way the league is set up (early draft picks for bad teams, bad teams getting easier schedules and now playoff teams are limited in FA) quick turnarounds are the norm as opposed to being the exception.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No one has come out with any decent idea as to what we will be doing after 2010 when JC hits the road. I keep hearing we can draft a QB next year. Yeah, that makes sense when we will be down farther in the draft and will essentially picking up or reaching for a lesser talented QB like a Tebow or McCoy late in the first round. JC was a reach and you see we are still 5yrs later trying to develope him. Colt has had 2 yrs and yes I'm counting injuries. I'm all for getting the supporting cast but it does no good when your General sucks. Remember Custer.

You want us to pick Bradford, my god. There's never been a QB in the history of the draft built like him who actually has been slated to be drafted in the first round. At best, he defies all comparable. At worst, he has no business being a first rounder.

I don't think you have any idea that it costs more to go from No. 4 to No. 1 than it does to go from wherever we pick in the draft next year to No. 4. But this, unfortunately, is fact.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You want us to pick Bradford, my god. There's never been a QB in the history of the draft built like him who actually has been slated to be drafted in the first round. At best, he defies all comparable. At worst, he has no business being a first rounder.

I don't think you have any idea that it costs more to go from No. 4 to No. 1 than it does to go from wherever we pick in the draft next year to No. 4. But this, unfortunately, is fact.

Not necessarily. If I remember correctly DS and Cerrato took a little trip. Rumor was Shanahan was interested in Bradford and they were scouting him. This came out while we still had some 4-5 games left in the regular season so honestly most of us I think kinda started looking at him seriously as our next possible QB. Then it seemed a lot of other teams fell in love with him. I think we simply have had more time to develope a man crush for him.

I keep hearing how good Clausen is and how there is not much diffference in them. So if thats true then I'm ok with the team picking him also. After that all the QB's take a major plung. None are anywhere near these two. Most experts have the rest being picked either extremely late 1st round or 2nd round on. McCoy I've heard is second to Bradford with his accuracy his only problem is he doesn't have the arm strength for the long ball. I'd be ok with him also but I'm not sure if I'd take him at #4.

So no I'm not against taking anyone else, but I can't see taking someone who is most likely no better then what we already have. There is really only two at the top of this list then there is the rest. I'd find a way to get one of the top ones and move on. I'm just pointing out though that if Bradford is the person Shanahan is truly interested in then get him. If he does not have a favorite then pick one of the top two.

I also understand and believe we are not in the SB running for atleast 3-5 yrs. and can understand the thought process in regards to picking up a QB next year and still having time to develope them but I guarentee you we will in no way be in the top 5 next year in order to pick up a top ranked QB. Which means we most likely will have to give up more then what we have to this year to get who we want. According to peoples points structure. Atleast this years pick could be learning Shanahan's system for next year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You want us to pick Bradford, my god. There's never been a QB in the history of the draft built like him who actually has been slated to be drafted in the first round. At best, he defies all comparable. At worst, he has no business being a first rounder.

I don't think you have any idea that it costs more to go from No. 4 to No. 1 than it does to go from wherever we pick in the draft next year to No. 4. But this, unfortunately, is fact.

??? What does that mean?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by celts32

I am not as concerned with the rookie starting on opening day 2010 but I want a rookie Qb that can be ready to go by opening day 2011 at the latest. It doesn't sound all that likely that Tebow will be ready in that timeframe.

Essentially, there's really no one in this class who, in the near term future, isn't going to force you to take the good with the bad. Tebow's going to be rough around the edges for some time...maybe to the point where he's completely unplayable as a first year player (he didn't really even run a college playbook until his Sophomore year -- when he won the Heisman), but I believe development after that point will happen pretty standard amongst all QBs in this draft.

If the projection for Tebow is that he's going to be a highly efficient player, I say, go for it.

[SBXVII]

I think it's funny when they say they are holding work outs with them.....

I mean I read somewhere that NFL rules regarding work outs is that they draftee can work out at his home town high school, his college or his hometown. I think. The only thing the draftee's can do at the Redskins facility is get an examination and talk football. No physical work outs are allowed. So I hear.

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[GTripp0012]

The 09 Saints model is fairly obtainable this year, but we'd flip the units: it'd be the offense that would be rejuvenated by a philosophical improvement, and the defense that finds its place among the league's elite units.

I mean, we've been in the playoffs as recently as 2007.

And no matter what, without a top 3 or 4 defense, super bowl contender is pretty unobtainable, especially in the current division. And I'm done picking these guys to be an elite unit. Even with a coaching improvement, they are average in my mind until proven otherwise.

[Dirtbag59]

Get em while they're hot:

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Get em while they're hot:

And give up my Wuerffel jersey?!?! LOL.