2010 NFL Off-Season Rumors and Reports (Week 3)

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by skinster

Who is on the Block around the league? Instead of trading Carter for some bottom half draft pick, it might be more beneficial to straight up trade him for another player. Maybe someone that can play DE in the 3-4? (I dont trust daniels because hes too old/broken down and I dont trust golston because it seems too out of position)

While they haven't exactly come out and said it, the Adam Carriker deal was/is that deal.

It's common wisdom around the league that both Carriker and Carter are better suited for the other team's defensive style. Unless you land an absolute stud in a trade, you're more than likely going to get a guy that's a project more than a proven commodity.

[CultBrennan59]

Redskins schedule a private workout with Sam Bradford the 15th of April according to Jason Reid of the washington post

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Redskins schedule a private workout with Sam Bradford the 15th of April according to Jason Reid of the washington post

breaking news, it's been pushed back till the day AFTER the draft

originally it was april 20th but then bradford wasn't ready, he would've done it on the 25th but he didn't want to conflict with the schedule of the draft itself

[Ruhskins]

^ Despite all of this, Clausen still seems to be second to Bradford in the eyes of many pundits (good points presented though).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

^ Despite all of this, Clausen still seems to be second to Bradford in the eyes of many pundits (good points presented though).

True, but no one will know how this debate will play out for at least 2, possibly three years.

For us, the only folks that matter are the Shanahans and Bruce Allen. These guys will have watched more tape on both guys than any of the pundits. This decision will be a big part of their legacy, one way or the other. Get it right and they're geniuses, get it wrong and they're looking for jobs in 3 years.

[53Fan]

You make a good case for Clausen Sammy, and you may very well be right about him. I won't pretend to know his future one way or the other. But I do have a couple of questions. You say if Clausen busts, what have we lost, just a single 1rst round pick. But if Okung is only "good", what good was the #4 pick then? I would rather have a good player than a bust. I think you may have been a little biased there. Also, why do guys like Mike Mayock say that if you draft a QB in the first round and he's a bust, your franchise is screwed for the next 5 years?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You say if Clausen busts, what have we lost, just a single 1rst round pick. But if Okung is only "good", what good was the #4 pick then? I would rather have a good player than a bust. I think you may have been a little biased there.

Pocket mentioned the same thing you said below about missing at #4 sets the franchise back 5 years. What I was trying to point out was that no matter who we pick at #4 there's a chance he could not live up to expectations. Then where are we?

Look at some of our recent high picks that haven't lived up to expectations:
- Carlos Rogers
- Landry
- Sean Taylor (IMO, he would've. RIP)

I don't think these picks set us back 5 years. Had these guys been more productive we would've been in better position, but they haven't destroyed the franchise. If Okung turns out to be just good, not Pro Bowl level, but our expectation at #4 is Pro Bowl, we lost some value at the pick but it doesn't cripple the franchise (I believe Okung will be a Pro Bowl level player within 2-3 years)

In our situation, if we draft Clausen and he's a Matt Leinart, what have we lost. We didn't make a massive trade ala the Bears for Cutler, which will cripple their franchise for years if he has another season like last year. We won't have given up any promising players to move up to get Clausen. If we don't trade Campbell we still have a starting QB, although one with limitations. A miss on Clausen at 4 will realisitcally hurt us for a couple of years at that position. If he doesn't pan out, we're still in the same position we have been since Joe T., looking for the franchise QB.

Every team and situation is different, for a team that's rebuilding around a highly drafted QB and they miss, I think it could take 5 years to recover. Had Manning busted in Indy, they would've been in bad shape. SD was a mess after Leaf. But that's not our situation today.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Pocket mentioned the same thing you said below about missing at #4 sets the franchise back 5 years. What I was trying to point out was that no matter who we pick at #4 there's a chance he could not live up to expectations. Then where are we?

Look at some of our recent high picks that haven't lived up to expectations:
- Carlos Rogers
- Landry
- Sean Taylor (IMO, he would've. RIP)

I don't think these picks set us back 5 years. Had these guys been more productive we would've been in better position, but they haven't destroyed the franchise. If Okung turns out to be just good, not Pro Bowl level, but our expectation at #4 is Pro Bowl, we lost some value at the pick but it doesn't cripple the franchise (I believe Okung will be a Pro Bowl level player within 2-3 years)

In our situation, if we draft Clausen and he's a Matt Leinart, what have we lost. We didn't make a massive trade ala the Bears for Cutler, which will cripple their franchise for years if he has another season like last year. We won't have given up any promising players to move up to get Clausen. If we don't trade Campbell we still have a starting QB, although one with limitations. A miss on Clausen at 4 will realisitcally hurt us for a couple of years at that position. If he doesn't pan out, we're still in the same position we have been since Joe T., looking for the franchise QB.

Every team and situation is different, for a team that's rebuilding around a highly drafted QB and they miss, I think it could take 5 years to recover. Had Manning busted in Indy, they would've been in bad shape. SD was a mess after Leaf. But that's not our situation today.

Have you not noticed in the last ten years other then two playoff years we have sucked big time, I am not saying just those miss picks have made us suck but sure didn't help us get better.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Have you not noticed in the last ten years other then two playoff years we have sucked big time, I am not saying just those miss picks have made us suck but sure didn't help us get better.

Nothing like a nice dose of hyperbole.

Just looking at winning percentage since 2000, ours is 43.7%. A quick glance at Cleveland at 31% shows a big difference. Cleveland sucks. We're mediocre, sub-par, below average, but we don't "suck".

Teams that "suck" don't make the playoffs twice in the last five years. We had a horrible season last year (it sucked), but IMO that was the best thing long term for the franchise. It spurred a much needed house cleaning and hopefully we're moving forward in the right direction.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Nothing like a nice dose of hyperbole.

Just looking at winning percentage since 2000, ours is 43.7%. A quick glance at Cleveland at 31% shows a big difference. Cleveland sucks. We're mediocre, sub-par, below average, but we don't "suck".

Teams that "suck" don't make the playoffs twice in the last five years. We had a horrible season last year (it sucked), but IMO that was the best thing long term for the franchise. It spurred a much needed house cleaning and hopefully we're moving forward in the right direction.

Agreed, we've been painfully mediocre. There are several teams that have been much worse off.

[GTripp0012]

Don't be fooled: Clausen put up a lot of his numbers because of spread concepts in 2009. Let's at least be honest. If the spread is a mitigating factor on the validity of numbers (it's not), then we have to take out all of the most effective college passers because they ALL use them.

Notre Dame didn't ever scrap the under center play action offensive staple that Weis loves, but he's been running the shotgun bubble screen and slant passes since his NE days.

There's nothing wrong with taking snaps in the shotgun though, since NFL teams are going to have to adapt it's concepts to compete in the future.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Don't be fooled: Clausen put up a lot of his numbers because of spread concepts in 2009. Let's at least be honest. If the spread is a mitigating factor on the validity of numbers (it's not), then we have to take out all of the most effective college passers because they ALL use them.

The spread certainly doesn't invalidate numbers, but it needs to be a factor to be considered in the evaluation of a QBs transition to the NFL. The big advantage of the spread is it allows superior athletes to work in space. In the NFL, the talent disparity between players is a lot less than what it is in college. Those bubble screens that go for 20+ in the NCAA, will go for 4-6 in the NFL. The 5 yd dig that turns into a TD in the NCAA, will often turn into a WR getting his head taken off by an LB or SS in the NFL.

[GTripp0012]

^^^Sorry, that should be don't get fooled into thinking that the Mack Brown/Bob Stoops offensive scheme is somehow less pro-style than Weis'. Urban Meyer...now that guy has a college offense.

[12thMan]

I like your analysis, Sammy. Pretty compelling argument, if not slightly biased. Oh well.

The thing I like about Clausen, if anything at all, is what he lacks in physicality he compensates for in football smarts. The guy doesn't make many mental errors or loses the game for his team. I think he's a very solid pack. Unfortunately for the Skins, he's coming out in a year when it's a two horse race and the NFL loves to market QBs and inflate their value this time of the year. But that's another story.

Bradford - I just can't see myself taking that kind of gamble on a guy with the first pick in the draft while he's still rehabbing an injured shoulder. It's one thing to display your mechanics in a controlled environment, it's another trying to get a pass off with DeMarcus Ware breathing down your neck.

[GTripp0012]

Clausen is definitely a McNabb/Campbell type of ball-holder. He's nothing like Jay Cutler or Eli Manning on the sack spectrum. IMO, one of Clausen's greatest strengths is that he's smart with the football.