Texas wants to rewrite the US History books

[Trample the Elderly]

Over the Mountain:

What you proscribe to Federalist doesn't make sense to me? It's an oxymoron.

State's rights is a cause of the old right not the neo-con movement. As Saden has pointed out. It was the Federalist Hamilton that wanted a centralized bank. He also wanted a Pax Americana.

The old right that today constitutes the few conservative / libertarians out there, distrust central banks today as much as they did then. They saw it coming. We're living through the consequences today.

To have a single currency is good for the Republic. That is Federalist. I agree. Allowing private bankers to take over the monetary policy of the United States from the Treasury is nothing short of treason. For the government to issue through decree that only dollars can be used is an abuse of power. It is beyond Federalism. That is dictatorial.

As a follower of the tenants of the old right, I subscribe more to Jefferson than to Adams, Hamilton, or Madison. I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Over the Mountain:

What you proscribe to Federalist doesn't make sense to me? It's an oxymoron.

State's rights is a cause of the old right not the neo-con movement. As Saden has pointed out. It was the Federalist Hamilton that wanted a centralized bank. He also wanted a Pax Americana.

The old right that today constitutes the few conservative / libertarians out there, distrust central banks today as much as they did then. They saw it coming. We're living through the consequences today.

To have a single currency is good for the Republic. That is Federalist. I agree. Allowing private bankers to take over the monetary policy of the United States from the Treasury is nothing short of treason. For the government to issue through decree that only dollars can be used is an abuse of power. It is beyond Federalism. That is dictatorial.

As a follower of the tenants of the old right, I subscribe more to Jefferson than to Adams, Hamilton, or Madison. I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

Seems to me Jefferson was a federalist when it suited him...and today we are all thankful for it.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

Seems to me Jefferson was a federalist when it suited him...and today we are all thankful for it.

Of course he was. He was a lover of liberty when it suited him too. That never stopped him from buying, selling, and sleeping with slaves.

The point of ommiting Jefferson I believe, is because of his anti-federalist & revolutionary leanings. The Neo-cons in Texas don't want people to question the government, especially since they stand a chance of returning to power.

Your Plato-esque way of denying things and contradicting everyone never proves your own points Saden.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Of course he was. He was a lover of liberty when it suited him too. That never stopped him from buying, selling, and sleeping with slaves.

The point of ommiting Jefferson I believe, is because of his anti-federalist & revolutionary leanings. The Neo-cons in Texas don't want people to question the government, especially since they stand a chance of returning to power.

Your Plato-esque way of denying things and contradicting everyone never proves your own points Saden.

I don't have to do much TTL because you do a pretty good job sticking your foot in your mouth. I mean, you just basically blasted the founders and labeled them self-serving SOBs while often claiming moral high ground on what we can, can't or should do as a nation in your posts.

Even Thomas Jefferson, whome you lean towards, has betrayed you...time to get off this rock TTL.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't have to do much TTL because you do a pretty good job sticking your foot in your mouth. I mean, you just basically blasted the founders and labeled them self-serving SOBs while often claiming moral high ground on what we can, can't or should do as a nation in your posts.

Even Thomas Jefferson, whome you lean towards, has betrayed you...time to get off this rock TTL.

I'm a cynic Saden, not a know-it-all like you.

Napoleon Bonaparte said, "A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights."

I ask you. How are the legal rights of a Republic not self serving? From my point of view, a person's rights and interests are the same thing.

I'm not beholden to the Founding Fathers, as they themselves were not to the crown. The ideals that they championed are larger than the flawed people that we all are. Yes, even you Saden.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Over the Mountain:

I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

When i studied federalists in law school we focused on the old founding father guys like james madison and state rights, etc. my older brother was president of a federalist society chapter in CA for awhile too. with that said, i cant speak about central banks and hamilton as i dont know.

but your last part is right per my understanding and what i posted before; federalists dont want a big federal gov't and believe local gov't should govern most things. where did i say differently?

you want to talk about hypocrites? how can federalists be for state rights as their founding principle but today, modern federalists want a federal law mandating abortion as illegal? ive asked a bunch of federalists this and they usually take off their federalist/state rights hat and put on their conservative "but its a life" hat.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

When i studied federalists in law school we focused on the old founding father guys like james madison and state rights, etc. my older brother was president of a federalist society chapter in CA for awhile too. with that said, i cant speak about central banks and hamilton as i dont know.

but your last part is right per my understanding and what i posted before; federalists dont want a big federal gov't and believe local gov't should govern most things. where did i say differently?

you want to talk about hypocrites? how can federalists be for state rights as their founding principle but today, modern federalists want a federal law mandating abortion as illegal? ive asked a bunch of federalists this and they usually take off their federalist/state rights hat and put on their conservative "but its a life" hat.

I wouldn't call that conservative. I'd say that's neo-conservative. There's nothing about reproductive rights in the Constitution, therefore, it is the right of the States IE: the people to decide for themselves.

Perhaps we are getting our terms confused, like Liberalism and Classical Liberalism?