2010 NFL Off-Season Rumors and Reports (Week 3)

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Care to mention any accolades from last season? Oh wait, there aren't any. It's called regression.

That said, I don't want to trade him now. It would be selling low.

ST (RIP) did the exact same thing in 06, then he became an all-pro. I don't understand how fans of this team forget these things.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

ST (RIP) did the exact same thing in 06, then he became an all-pro. I don't understand how fans of this team forget these things.

Well why can't Landry be like Orakpo, show up with a good attitude and get the job done from the get go. Honestly, my issue with Landry is his attitude, ever since he was a rookie he had stupid late hit and taunting penalties. How long until he grows up?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well why can't Landry be like Orakpo, show up with a good attitude and get the job done from the get go. Honestly, my issue with Landry is his attitude, ever since he was a rookie he had stupid late hit and taunting penalties. How long until he grows up?

That is up to him. ST had a ton of late hit penalties too. I think he had 5 straight weeks of fines, or something like that.

Landry makes the same mistakes that a lot of young players make.

He had a bad third year overall but he did a lot of good things too. It is just at 4-12, it is pretty easy to focus on the negatives.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

That is up to him. ST had a ton of late hit penalties too. I think he had 5 straight weeks of fines, or something like that.

Landry makes the same mistakes that a lot of young players make.

He had a bad third year overall but he did a lot of good things too last year. It is just at 4-12, it is pretty easy to focus on the negatives.

So after his third year he still making the same mistakes? Once again, not to knock on his talent, but my whole deal is with his seemingly lack of discipline. Granted, he's no Pacman Jones or anything like that, but his attitude towards the game such as...against the Giants, seemingly more preoccupied with getting payback on Brandon Jacobs rather than actually playing the game; consistently going after the big hit (and missing miserably), again the late hit penalties, etc., etc. It appears that he changed a bit towards the end of the season, but I think he needs to get his attitude in check.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So after his third year he still making the same mistakes? Once again, not to knock on his talent, but my whole deal is with his seemingly lack of discipline. Granted, he's no Pacman Jones or anything like that, but his attitude towards the game such as...against the Giants, seemingly more preoccupied with getting payback on Brandon Jacobs rather than actually playing the game; consistently going after the big hit (and missing miserably), again the late hit penalties, etc., etc. It appears that he changed a bit towards the end of the season, but I think he needs to get his attitude in check.

'06 was ST's worst year, it also happened to be his 3rd year. Landry is still very young, I think he could improve immensely.

I think your description could have described Landry last year or Taylor in '06. To the "t".

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

'06 was ST's worst year, it also happened to be his 3rd year. Landry is still very young, I think he could improve immensely.

I think your description could have described Landry last year or Taylor in '06. To the "t".

Agreed.

The common solution to the Landry dilemma, among fans, appears to be to push Horton and Doughty into backup roles while we play him at the non-premium strong safety position.

This would be taking the easy road out, I think, as we can scrap two of the players on the team we have the least investment in while trying to salvage a third. But to me, it's questionable whether Landry can even outplay either Horton or Doughty in the box.

So I say: he's physically gifted enough, let's keep him back there as a traditional coverage safety and just change the way he's supposed to be reading the offense. Whatever Blache/Gray/Jackson were doing, let's change it. If he can adapt and reach his potential, great. If not, I'd rather release him a year from now as opposed to try to work an extension with him as a strong safety.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Agreed.

The common solution to the Landry dilemma, among fans, appears to be to push Horton and Doughty into backup roles while we play him at the non-premium strong safety position.

This would be taking the easy road out, I think, as we can scrap two of the players on the team we have the least investment in while trying to salvage a third. But to me, it's questionable whether Landry can even outplay either Horton or Doughty in the box.

So I say: he's physically gifted enough, let's keep him back there as a traditional coverage safety and just change the way he's supposed to be reading the offense. Whatever Blache/Gray/Jackson were doing, let's change it. If he can adapt and reach his potential, great. If not, I'd rather release him a year from now as opposed to try to work an extension with him as a strong safety.

exactly my thoughts

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well why can't Landry be like Orakpo, show up with a good attitude and get the job done from the get go. Honestly, my issue with Landry is his attitude, ever since he was a rookie he had stupid late hit and taunting penalties. How long until he grows up?

Excellent post!!My beef with Landry is his attitude. If he keeps up this childish bullshit then he will never live to his potential, basically in getting Mays or Berry you get a talented player without BS. I'm sick of "me" players who hurt the team with their own selfish attitude.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well why can't Landry be like Orakpo, show up with a good attitude and get the job done from the get go. Honestly, my issue with Landry is his attitude, ever since he was a rookie he had stupid late hit and taunting penalties. How long until he grows up?

Landry did show up from the get go and played just as good if not better then a rookie Orakpo, especially at the end of the year when he switched to FS. The problem is he's slowly regressed since then, with this last year just being a complete and utter failure.

Personally I think it was a combination of his attitude and Blaches scheme. I'd also like to add that Jackson's coaching seems to have had a negative effect on him but then again Jackson was here for both Taylor and Landry (when he was good). Anyway look on the bright side, even though we missed out on Adrian Peterson we also passed up on Jamaal Anderson.

In the end hopefully Haslett's scheme will get Landry to pick up where he left off during his rookie year.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

ST (RIP) did the exact same thing in 06, then he became an all-pro. I don't understand how fans of this team forget these things.

I certainly haven't nor will I ever forget that about Sean. Laron is no ST. However he's a better player than he showed last year. He needs to a be a SS and not a FS. We shall see what kind of player he is, but I'm down on him for sure right now.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

ST (RIP) did the exact same thing in 06, then he became an all-pro. I don't understand how fans of this team forget these things.

Man I effing hate it when Sean gets associated w/ Landry, but since it keeps cropping up I have to say this:

Sean NEVER avoided contact. He never dove to the turf to avoid making a tackle. He never threw himself out of position at the last second to get out of the way of the ball-carrier. Sean was the fiercest safety in football. Yes he had a down year adjusting to Williams' scheme, but does anyone doubt he would be a greatest if he were alive today?

Most important Sean was a guy we were so proud of to see in the B & G. The dude visited w/ his family in the stands on gameday. His priorities were solid. Sean had already arrived as a person, if not as the player we knew he was becoming.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Man I effing hate it when Sean gets associated w/ Landry, but since it keeps cropping up I have to say this:

Sean NEVER avoided contact. He never dove to the turf to avoid making a tackle. He never threw himself out of position at the last second to get out of the way of the ball-carrier. Sean was the fiercest safety in football. Yes he had a down year adjusting to Williams' scheme, but does anyone doubt he would be a greatest if he were alive today?

Most important Sean was a guy we were so proud of to see in the B & G. The dude visited w/ his family in the stands on gameday. His priorities were solid. Sean had already arrived as a person, if not as the player we knew he was becoming.

Tell me what game or games Landry has avoided contact? I know he has taken some poor angles but when has he been afraid to mix it up?

ST's worst year was '06. That was his 3rd year in Williams' scheme.

I have no problem with Landry the person. He is a rockstar and young. In fact, you could easily argue that he has been a better person than Sean was in his early years. Landry has not had any run-ins with the law that I know of.

What has Landry done that is so friggen' bad? I am starting to think that people are starting to hold him to some ridiculous standard because we lost Sean.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Tell me what game or games Landry has avoided contact? I know he has taken some poor angles but when has he been afraid to mix it up?

ST's worst year was '06. That was his 3rd year in Williams' scheme.

I have no problem with Landry the person. He is a rockstar and young. In fact, you could easily argue that he has been a better person than Sean was in his early years. Landry has not had any run-ins with the law that I know of.

What has Landry done that is so friggen' bad? I am starting to think that people are starting to hold him to some ridiculous standard because we lost Sean.

What's so hard about avoiding late hits and not taunting? Or focusing on a game instead of getting revenge on Brandon Jacobs? Or be a bit smarter about tackling and try not to fly in out of control into a player causing him to whiff tackles?

I agree that Landry is playing out of position (but so was Orakpo), and that some criticism is a bit ridiculous (like avoiding contact, he's regressing, etc., etc.). Still, my criticism of him is his attitude and if he hasn't change that in THREE YEARS, I am not confident it's going to change.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

What's so hard about avoiding late hits and not taunting? Or focusing on a game instead of getting revenge on Brandon Jacobs? Or be a bit smarter about tackling and try not to fly in out of control into a player causing him to whiff tackles?

I agree that Landry is playing out of position (but so was Orakpo), and that some criticism is a bit ridiculous (like avoiding contact, he's regressing, etc., etc.). Still, my criticism of him is his attitude and if he hasn't change that in THREE YEARS, I am not confident it's going to change.

I feel like I am in Groundhog day...

Everything you typed could be describing Landry last year or ST in '06.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I feel like I am in Groundhog day...

Everything you typed could be describing Landry last year or ST in '06.

I don't understand why you keep bringing this up, are you sure that Landry is going to change? Shouldn't the fact that the same thing happen with another young player, make Landry screw his head on straight? Is Landry on the verge of having a kid that will make him change his ways the same way that happened with Sean Taylor?