Obama Care

[12thMan]

By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

By the way, I have no desire to reply to each post in defense of Nancy Pelosi or the healthcare bill, for that matter. But I felt it was necessary to push back a little on the portrayal of Nancy Pelosi as incompetent and a tax and spend liberal.

By no means is Pelosi incompetent. She's pushing forward her and the left's agenda to move the U.S. towards Euorpean socialism, by any means necessary.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

By no means is Pelosi incompetent. She's pushing forward her and the left's agenda to move the U.S. towards Euorpean socialism, by any means necessary.

Care to qualify by any means necessary?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Care to qualify by any means necessary?

Short of sending out Luca Brasi (as far as we know) or direct violation of any laws (pending the legal challenges forthcoming on the Health Care bill) my statement is pretty self-explanatory.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Short of sending out Luca Brasi (as far as we know) or direct violation of any laws (pending the legal challenges forthcoming on the Health Care bill) my statement is pretty self-explanatory.

I don't understand why people are so afraid of the word socialism. We're not in the 1960s and the Reds aren't coming to get us. Sometimes I feel that the words socialism is thrown around the same as terrorism. People forget that the New Deal was a form of socialism for example, and I don't think anyone was out for FDR's head when it happened...well some people were.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people are so afraid of the word socialism. We're not in the 1960s and the Reds aren't coming to get us. Sometimes I feel that the words socialism is thrown around the same as terrorism. People forget that the New Deal was a form of socialism for example, and I don't think anyone was out for FDR's head when it happened...well some people were.

Obviously, you have not seen Rocky IV.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Obviously, you have not seen Rocky IV.

Good one.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Obviously, you have not seen Rocky IV.

"I must break you"

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people are so afraid of the word socialism. We're not in the 1960s and the Reds aren't coming to get us. Sometimes I feel that the words socialism is thrown around the same as terrorism. People forget that the New Deal was a form of socialism for example, and I don't think anyone was out for FDR's head when it happened...well some people were.

Some of the same people who use "socialism" as a dirty word have no problems using a government-funded ambulance service to get them to the government-funded hospital near them during an emergency. It amazes me how people some people can enjoy a measure of socialism while they use the "s" word as some kind of put-down.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't understand why people are so afraid of the word socialism. We're not in the 1960s and the Reds aren't coming to get us. Sometimes I feel that the words socialism is thrown around the same as terrorism. People forget that the New Deal was a form of socialism for example, and I don't think anyone was out for FDR's head when it happened...well some people were.

Basically because this country was founded on Freedom. Ever since the civil war when the south was not allowed to leave the Union, which was their right that was written into law, Gov. has been widdling away our rights. Widdling away at our freedoms. Under our last President our Gov. passed a law allowing Gov. agencies to wire tap more easily without having to go through all the safety measures to ensure big government was not tresspassing on our rights.

I for one can't understand why anyone would want the government running every aspect of your life but if you do please move. Stop trying to change my government if it doesn't suit you. Move to Russia or Romania or France or Canada if those things interest you. I'm happy with my government's limited reach into my personal life.

On a side note, Just like if you don't like whats on the radio or tv.... fricken change the channel. No need to police the airwaves for me screwing over my right to listen or watch whatever I want because you can't police your self or your child. Just because something offends one person doesn't mean it offends all.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Short of sending out Luca Brasi (as far as we know) or direct violation of any laws (pending the legal challenges forthcoming on the Health Care bill) my statement is pretty self-explanatory.

This is what sadness and bitterness looks like? Fascinating.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is what sadness and bitterness looks like? Fascinating.

Sadness for my son, your eventual kids, and both our eventual grandkids for having to work through, at a minimum, $ 18T of debt and wrest back individual freedoms from a federal government that has far over-expanded its bounds. Bitterness, maybe a little, because I'll have to strategize better to protect my families income/assets and make sure when my wife and I are gone what we leave to our family is hopefully protected from government confiscation.

Certainly this is not all the Dems or this Administration's fault, this has been brewing for decades. But Obama/Pelosi/Reid have done nothing to stem the tide and turn things around. This Administration and the majority in Congress could've been historic in putting the U.S. financial house in order. My fear is this bill and the current political agenda is the proverbial straw....

As I posted shortly after Obama's election, if he chose to govern from the center (as he campaigned) he could've made his presidency one of the best of the last 100 years. Unfortuntely we're seeing many of the same patterns of the Carter presidency.

[Trample the Elderly]

If VA doesn't win its lawsuit, I'll not pay my Federal taxes. I've already considered different approaches to this. I know several people who don't pay their Federal, just their state. I can no longer support the US for any reason. VA is my nation, not this POS government. Keep on playing stupid Democrat / Republican games. You'll see. Time is ticking.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

By no means is Pelosi incompetent. She's pushing forward her and the left's agenda to move the U.S. towards Euorpean socialism, by any means necessary.

Unfortunately that is not true.