Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Thing is Russell had apparently ballooned to 305 lbs during the off-season...so technically he did slim down to 290.

Thats what I kind of already figured. Still it's a long ways away from the 265 he was at the combine. I also find it kind of ironic that he slimmed down to 256 for his pro day. Seems like when money's involved he's the cream of the crop.

Russell wows scouts at LSU's pro day - USATODAY.com

Kiffin noticed how well Russell moved, too. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds, which surprised a lot of the NFL observers, as did his weight of 256.

"He was 265 at the combine," Kiffin said. "Dropping nine pounds knowing this was a big day shows his commitment and shows that his mind's in the right place."

I would say to beware of productive pro days but I doubt Timmy will have the same problems if we draft him.

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I would say to beware of productive pro days but I doubt Timmy will have the same problems if we draft him.

I wouldn't be surprised (or upset) if we did end up drafting him.

[tootergray34]

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by tootergray34

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

I think the more relevant question is: was there enough evidence available prior to 2007 to have concluded that JaMarcus Russell was going to struggle coming out of LSU?

To me, it's not retroactive history to suggest that yes, people should have been more aware of Russell's college flaws and bust potential. But I've long thought that the team that is picking first overall in the draft has an unbelievable amount of control over the way information regarding a prospect gets disseminated through certain channels. And had someone besides Oakland held the first overall pick, I think that the way Russell would have been perceived by the masses would have been very different, because I don't think a lot of teams were quite as stricken with him as they were.

There were some really interesting things written after that pick that looked fishy then.

Russell was only choice for No. 1 pick

I guess that's the lesson here, re: Bradford. A lot of stuff that's coming through is coming through the people with the Rams who are in charge of evaluating him. And that's one of the many reasons I think that Bradford is immune to some of the criticism that Clausen is catching. After all, did anyone get Mike Holmgren's opinion on Sam Bradford?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by tootergray34

did anybody really think jamarcus was going to be good coming out of LSU? be honest.

WalterFootball.com: 2007 NFL Mock Draft

There are two things Al Davis looks for every April: athleticism and arm strength (for quarterbacks). JaMarcus Russell has both attributes, and reminds me of Daunte Culpepper circa 2004. Moreover, Russell's ability to elude defenders will come in handy once opposing pass rushers easily squeak through Oakland's pitiful offensive line.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

WalterFootball.com: 2007 NFL Mock Draft

There are two things Al Davis looks for every April: athleticism and arm strength (for quarterbacks). JaMarcus Russell has both attributes, and reminds me of Daunte Culpepper circa 2004. Moreover, Russell's ability to elude defenders will come in handy once opposing pass rushers easily squeak through Oakland's pitiful offensive line.

So much for Walter Football's being the end-all of football analysis. They had the pick right (he was chosen by the Raiders) but the player analysis wrong.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

WalterFootball.com: 2007 NFL Mock Draft

There are two things Al Davis looks for every April: athleticism and arm strength (for quarterbacks). JaMarcus Russell has both attributes, and reminds me of Daunte Culpepper circa 2004. Moreover, Russell's ability to elude defenders will come in handy once opposing pass rushers easily squeak through Oakland's pitiful offensive line.

haha...that must be a misprint! Walter is never wrong about a franchise QB!

[GTripp0012]

Which is not to say that teams that aren't the Rams aren't high on Sam Bradford. I think we're just as poised to take him as the Rams are. But any player who is going to get passed over in the draft by any team is going to have questions raised about his mental makeup, etc. Even if you're not going to select the best available player, teams are going to do whatever they need to in order to spin it so that the player they are taking is perceived as the best available. Everyone does it, not just the Raiders.

And I think that's really all the negative viewpoints of Clausen really say about him: a bunch of teams in the top ten are going to pass on him. So regardless of whether it's the right or wrong move (I believe they are justified), negative scouting opinions from professionals are getting leaked.

The end result is that this rift is being created between Bradford and Clausen, and if you actually had access to all the scouting reports between the 32 teams, I'd imagine that the mean grade would be pretty darn close.

[tryfuhl]

Schefter saying that the Raiders are leading the way

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[skinsfaninok]

Good I hope he leaves Philly ASAP! I bet he hopes they don't trade him to Oakland lol

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Good I hope he leaves Philly ASAP! I bet he hopes they don't trade him to Oakland lol

I don't. I hope he stays in Philli. Again since his injuries he's been slower, less of a runner and more of a pocket passer, and predictable under pressure. Basically he sucks now. He's hardly the QB he used to be. They bring in Kolbe and we are screwed with a QB that has youth, health, and arm strength.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I don't. I hope he stays in Philli. Again since his injuries he's been slower, less of a runner and more of a pocket passer, and predictable under pressure. Basically he sucks now. He's hardly the QB he used to be. They bring in Kolbe and we are screwed with a QB that has youth, health, and arm strength.

Damn wish we had a QB that sucked this bad the last few years

Donovan McNabb: Career Stats

[NYCskinfan82]

If they can get a 1st for him they better take it he's been in the league how long still playing at a high level grab the 1st and move on.

[tryfuhl]

Yeah McNabb sure looked shitty on that pass to Jackson vs us last year

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Yeah McNabb sure looked shitty on that pass to Jackson vs us last year

Please. McNoodle has maybe 4 good passes a game. The rest are too high, or out of bounds.

Yeah take a look at his stats.... throwing the ball out of bounds is not a negative mark on his stats.

Look all I'm saying is he's not the McNabb of 4 or 5 yrs ago. He's had two yrs with bad injuries. He hardly runs out of the pocket and when he does it's sideline to sideline alot slower then he used to. He hardly runs down field any more. Maybe due to age. He's more of a pocket passer which has limited his threat ability. Basically he's easier to game plan around now vs. years ago.

and now your wanting him gone for Kolbe who is probably just as good and more upside because of health.