Rumor: Eagles and Rams Finalizing Trade Involving McNabb

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by McD5

Ben won the SB without being protected.

Aaron Rodgers took GB deep with terrible protection.

We have had one of the best LTs in the entire league for ten years now. It hasn't taken us anywhere.

Be had a great D,and Rogers has one of the best wr corps in the league

[McD5]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

Be had a great D,and Rogers has one of the best wr corps in the league

This is true, but the franchise QB is an absolute necessity in this league. If you don't have one, your best hope is for one season of success, and then failure again. Dilfer and Grossman come to mind.

This is a passing league now, and we need a passer. You cannot win consistently without one.

And if we don't get one now, what are we going to have to give up next season to get one? Multiple picks like the Bears did for Cutler?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by McD5

This is true, but the franchise QB is an absolute necessity in this league. If you don't have one, your best hope is for one season of success, and then failure again. Dilfer and Grossman come to mind.

This is a passing league now, and we need a passer. You cannot win consistently without one.

And if we don't get one now, what are we going to have to give up next season to get one? Multiple picks like the Bears did for Cutler?

they had great defenses...and you cant pass with the QB on his rearend.. you want to use the number 4 for David Carr part II ?

[McD5]

Originally Posted by DBUCHANON101

they had great defenses...and you cant pass with the QB on his rearend.. you want to use the number 4 for David Carr part II ?

Drafting Bradford in no way means that we can't still address our terrible O-line.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.

If we don't get our franchise QB now, when are we going to get one? Next season, when we are likely drafting lower than now?

Do you want to use one first on a QB this season, or risk having to spend two first round draft picks to get one next year?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by McD5

Drafting Bradford in no way means that we can't still address our terrible O-line.

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both.

If we don't get our franchise QB now, when are we going to get one? Next season, when we are likely drafting lower than now?

Do you want to use one first on a QB this season, or risk having to spend two first round draft picks to get one next year?

I'm not willing to bet the farm on a single player, when there's the possibility of trading down to get multiple picks.

[McD5]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm not willing to bet the farm on a single player, when there's the possibility of trading down to get multiple picks.

Multiple picks would be great. I personally believe we are still going to unload a few players to get some more picks in this draft. The first round is absolutely loaded this year.

But that still doesn't fix the QB situation. If we want to see our team in the playoffs almost every season, we need a franchise QB.

And interesting stat: 2nd round QBs almost always bust. In the last decade, only one has been great--Drew Brees.

Ten years of busts besides that one exception.

The next best 2nd rounders of the last decade? Chad Henne, Tavaris Jackson and Kevin Kolb. That isn't pretty.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by McD5

And interesting stat: 2nd round QBs almost always bust. In the last decade, only one has been great--Drew Brees.

Ten years of busts besides that one exception.

The next best 2nd rounders of the last decade? Chad Henne, Tavaris Jackson and Kevin Kolb. That isn't pretty.

Yeah, here's a good article about exactly that - 2nd/3rd round QB's. matt Shaub is another good one (rd 3).
Draft Countdown - 2nd & 3rd Round Quarterbacks

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by McD5

Multiple picks would be great. I personally believe we are still going to unload a few players to get some more picks in this draft. The first round is absolutely loaded this year.

But that still doesn't fix the QB situation. If we want to see our team in the playoffs almost every season, we need a franchise QB.

And interesting stat: 2nd round QBs almost always bust. In the last decade, only one has been great--Drew Brees.

Ten years of busts besides that one exception.

The next best 2nd rounders of the last decade? Chad Henne, Tavaris Jackson and Kevin Kolb. That isn't pretty.

There's been 11 second round picks in the decade. That's one per year, a very small sample. You're also counting guys who have never started for their teams as busts. Which is a different argument about why first rounders are different from second rounders, and one that I believe is benefical (if the hit rates are the same, drafting a "bust" in the second round costs fewer wins).

I would agree with the point that the second round features a bunch of reaches and not many steals at the QB position. The simple way to manage this downside would be to not draft a guy you have rated as a midrounder in the second round.

I guess my point that just because the rate of first round talents dropping to the second round is limited doesn't mean we shouldn't draft McCoy if he's available in the second round. That would be poor cause and effect. Rather, it suggests that McCoy might go a lot higher than people believe, because, if he's infact a second round talent, his draft position might get inflated into the first round.