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[SBXVII]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal. ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal. ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.

I'm sure that's the case w/ Indy. New Orleans original starter was hurt (IR?) so while i'm pretty sure he was a 1st rd pick it doesn't really count. Outside of that I think most playoff teams had/have 1st rd LTs.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I could have sworn there was a topic on how none of the most recent playoff/SB teams didn't have a top 1st round LT. and perhaps the same could be said of QB's but it amazes me how much people are playing on the fact that "we have to have a top 1st round LT." Especially with several considerations...

1- Shanahan gets equivilant level of play out of mid to late round OL talent.
2- The proto typical zone blocking LT's coming out of the draft are not seen as worthy of a 1st or 2nd round pick.
3- Originally I had heard Okung was not fit for a team utilizing zone blocking. Supposedly he had bad lateral movement and was more built for man-to-man blocking. Most recently some of these reports have softened.

Then theres the lets trade back for more picks theory...

1- Someone has to want to trade (unless as someone put it to me...we simply force another team to take the deal. ).
2- We are willing to except taking a player who's figured to go mid to late round zone blocker late in the first round.
3- Possibly willing to take lesser talent QB like JC and hope he can be developed possibly within a year if JC decides to leave.

I keep seeing this like Shanahan doesn't need talent on the o-line. Why did he draft Ryan Clady in the first round? That would be pretty stupid for a guy that can get the same level of play from a mid to late rounder wouldn't it?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I keep seeing this like Shanahan doesn't need talent on the o-line. Why did he draft Ryan Clady in the first round? That would be pretty stupid for a guy that can get the same level of play from a mid to late rounder wouldn't it?

I stayed up and watched the "America's Game" of the 1998 Broncos season, and it was exciting to watch Shanahan coach up a bunch of 6th, 7th and UDFA's on that line as Terrell Davis ran for 2000 yds. I don't think the point is that you want to only have late rounders/UDFA's but more so, that as a coach, MS has shown the ability to get the most out of them. The show made me even more confident that whoever and however Shanahan brings in, he and his staff will get the most out of them, and we won't see a repeat of the 2008-2009 debacles.

I really recommend watching that NFL Channel video if you want to get excited about Shanahan's "upside".

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I stayed up and watched the "America's Game" of the 1998 Broncos season, and it was exciting to watch Shanahan coach up a bunch of 6th, 7th and UDFA's on that line as Terrell Davis ran for 2000 yds. I don't think the point is that you want to only have late rounders/UDFA's but more so, that as a coach, MS has shown the ability to get the most out of them. The show made me even more confident that whoever and however Shanahan brings in, he and his staff will get the most out of them, and we won't see a repeat of the 2008-2009 debacles.

I really recommend watching that NFL Channel video if you want to get excited about Shanahan's "upside".

I have no doubt that Shanahan gets the most out of his o-linemen, I don't see that as an excuse not to draft the best you can get. Apparently he felt the same way when he drafted Clady.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I have no doubt that Shanahan gets the most out of his o-linemen, I don't see that as an excuse not to draft the best you can get. Apparently he felt the same way when he drafted Clady.

I must be reading something wrong...... you say Shanahan drafted him, yet on Wiki it says he was drafted in 08. Shanahan was fired prior to the 08 draft, or am I incorrect?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I must be reading something wrong...... you say Shanahan drafted him, yet on Wiki it says he was drafted in 08. Shanahan was fired prior to the 08 draft, or am I incorrect?

Shanahan coached the Broncos in the 2008-2009 season, Ryan Clady was drafted in the 2008 NFL Draft and played his first season in the '08-'09 season. So yes, however unlikely, it is possible for Mike Shanahan to draft a first-round Tackle.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Shanahan coached the Broncos in the 2008-2009 season, Ryan Clady was drafted in the 2008 NFL Draft and played his first season in the '08-'09 season. So yes, however unlikely, it is possible for Mike Shanahan to draft a first-round Tackle.

Yeah just saw that. Sorry 53. Shanahan was fired Dec. 08 which means he did draft Clady.

[CRedskinsRule]

nevermind
edit: by the time my slowhands worked, many others had already chimed in...

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

nevermind
edit: by the time my slowhands worked, many others had already chimed in...

That's what she said.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I keep seeing this like Shanahan doesn't need talent on the o-line. Why did he draft Ryan Clady in the first round? That would be pretty stupid for a guy that can get the same level of play from a mid to late rounder wouldn't it?

Hogs Haven recently posted this graphic:

2010 Pro Bowl - Offensive Line Rosters:
- Of the 15 OL - 9 were 1st rd picks - 5 of those were selected in the first seven picks.
- 5 of the seven Tackles were 1st rd picks (3 being top 4 picks)
- 5 of the 11 qb's (including reserves & alternates) were 1st rd picks.

2009 Pro Bowl - OffensiveLine Rosters:
- of the 16 OL - ten were 1st rd picks
- 6 of the 8 Tackles were 1st rd picks
- 4 of the 7 QB's were 1st rd picks.

History shows that L/T has become the new money position. Eight teams drafted an O/T in the first round last April, as many as five could go in the first round this year, possibly four in the first ten selections.

Quarterbacks may be considered cornerstones of franchises, R/B's provide punch...W/R make flashy plays, but the games guts is still rooted in the O/L. No R/B survives long without holes to run through....No W/R catches a pass if the QB dosen't have time to throw it.

History further shows that the likelyhood of drafting a bust at QB in the 1st round far outweighs that of an O/T.