Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft

[MTK]

Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.

The only "monster" move I'd like to see the Redskins pull off is get a sweet deal on a trade down with the Bills or the Raiders. I can see BA outmaneuvering a team like that and getting a mini Herschel Walker-like trade (where Herschel Walker's role would be played by our #4 pick)

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The only "monster" move I'd like to see the Redskins pull off is get a sweet deal on a trade down with the Bills or the Raiders. I can see BA outmaneuvering a team like that and getting a mini Herschel Walker-like trade (where Herschel Walker's role would be played by our #4 pick)

All signs point to the Rams taking Bradford and the Lions taking Okung. Either Suh or McCoy should be available when we pick, which means we should have no problem trading down if we want to.

The problem comes in when you consider the possibility that a team trades up to #3 and takes Clausen. At that point, all 3 of the players we'd be most inclined to take at 4 would be gone. Additionally, no one who wants one of the two DTs will would trade with us since atleast one (if not both of them) would still be on the board at 5. This is the nightmare scenario for the skins. Unfortunately, its also the one i think is most likely to happen.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

All signs point to the Rams taking Bradford and the Lions taking Okung. Either Suh or McCoy should be available when we pick, which means we should have no problem trading down if we want to.

The problem comes in when you consider the possibility that a team trades up to #3 and takes Clausen. At that point, all 3 of the players we'd be most inclined to take at 4 would be gone. Additionally, no one who wants one of the two DTs will would trade with us since atleast one (if not both of them) would still be on the board at 5. This is the nightmare scenario for the skins. Unfortunately, its also the one i think is most likely to happen.

What team is going to trade to 3 to take Clausen? I think this scenario is possible, but not the most likely. If the Lions and Bucs both pass on the top two DT's I would be amazed. I guess, maybe if the Lions take Okung (I think it's possible but not highly so) and the 5th or 6th team wants to trade with TB for Clausen, then maybe because TB would still get a top DT. But KC isn't going for Clausen, and I don't think Cleveland would.

It would take a cataclysmic combination of events for the Skins NOT to come out of this draft with at least two impact players.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.

This really all comes down to Shannys evaluation of Bradford. If Shanny thinks he's a franchise QB and feels strongly enough to trade up you would not be okay with that? The Redskins have had average or bad QB play for most of the last 30 years. I know it's a lot to trade up but I am not concerned as much with every hole being filled by September with a long term replacement...I am more concerned with us making the move that better positions us to challange for a Super Bowl sooner. And these days with few exceptions the teams with franchise QB's win the Super Bowl.

Now if Shanny does not think Bradford is a franchise QB then I would be fine with Okung & McCoy.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

This really all comes down to Shannys evaluation of Bradford. If Shanny thinks he's a franchise QB and feels strongly enough to trade up you would not be okay with that?

No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.

Yeah but Cutler was great for a year with Shanny, horrible last year with the Bears. Plummer was solid with Shanny, horrible everywhere else. Brian Griese, solid with Shanahan, horrible everywhere else.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.

Well it sounds like you just don't really believe in Shannahan & Allen if you don't trust their opinion from the gitgo. Also...I happen to believe Cutler was on his way to greatness when he was teamed up with Shanny.

If they decide not to go after Bradford and draft Okoung or Clausen at 4 I will be fine with that also. I just believe that a franchise QB trumps all other needs. If they feel they identified one then I am all for them making it happen.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.

I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.

Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I honestly dont think it would take as much to move up from the #4 to the #1 as it did for the Giants. The Giants were trading up for a QB named Manning. I firmly beleive that our 1st this year and next, with one very late round pick would be enough to do it. Or our 1st and 2nd this year with a late round pick next year.

Either way, i still think it would be too costly of a trade. Bradfords not worth the #4 overall pick, let alone the #1 overall. Hopefully, all this talk of us trading up is just talk - kinda like how we were rumored to be trading up for Calvin Johnson a couple years ago.

[CRedskinsRule]

I am really excited to see what we do. IF we traded and got Bradford, I would be syked. If we stayed pat and got Okung/Bradford at 4 and McCoy/LT prospect at 37, I would be syked. If we traded down, say with SF or the Raiders, and got more picks, I would be syked.

Dang, I am way too easy!

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am really excited to see what we do. IF we traded and got Bradford, I would be syked. If we stayed pat and got Okung/Bradford at 4 and McCoy/LT prospect at 37, I would be syked. If we traded down, say with SF or the Raiders, and got more picks, I would be syked.

Dang, I am way too easy!

That's what I'm leaning towards. The only guy I would really want at 4 is Okung (assuming Bradford and the two DTs are gone), but I also don't feel like Okung is that much better than a tackle we could get later on. If we can swing a trade with SF and have two picks in the top 17, that would be great.

I think so much of what we do depends on how Shanny really feels about Jason Campbell, and I don't think anyone outside of the organization knows that.

Colt McCoy's pro-day is today. I wonder if Shanny will be there. I want NO part of that guy. I'd probably rather have Pike or Lefevour.

[MTK]

I like Bradford, I just don't like the idea of giving up a ton to trade up for him.

[MTK]

Bradford makes his case to be draft’s first pick | National Football Post

good read