Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.

Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.

I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

Oh, and Chase, duh...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

Oh, and Chase, duh...

I think we've got some good scouts, but i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we've got some good scouts, but i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.

funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.

It honestly makes no sense that Snyder would pay through the nose for over-the-hill veteran free agents, sign big name coaches to huge multi-year contracts, yet be so frugal with the scouting department. History has proven that the best teams are the ones that consistently draft really well. There's no salary cap for scouts, why not assemble the best scouting department money can buy?

On a side note, i was listening to espn980 and i doc walker said our training facilities were just horrible, and among the worst he's ever seen. he'd even seen colleges that have better equipment and facilities than we do. Not to hijack the thread but does anyone here (smoot perhaps) know what gives?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

It honestly makes no sense that Snyder would pay through the nose for over-the-hill veteran free agents, sign big name coaches to huge multi-year contracts, yet be so frugal with the scouting department. History has proven that the best teams are the ones that consistently draft really well. There's no salary cap for scouts, why not assemble the best scouting department money can buy?

On a side note, i was listening to espn980 and i doc walker said our training facilities were just horrible, and among the worst he's ever seen. he'd even seen colleges that have better equipment and facilities than we do. Not to hijack the thread but does anyone here (smoot perhaps) know what gives?

from the pics that I've seen I've def seen better setups for the athletics gyms in colleges

[BlindReckoning]

Okung ......Bradford....... Suh only one will be available (at best) There is a big drop off after these three I think. Okung (safe pick and definite need)....Bradford (go for the gusto pick) Suh (best available period pick). The actual draft will simplify things. If none of these three are available you try your best to trade down and get extra picks for tackles and guards which this draft is full of.Clausen I'd only take with the second round pick (yeah yeah wont be there).Tebow if we acquired a third I'd do it. Running backs Shanny can pick up 4th to 5th round. Wide receivers we dont need period.Tight ends...Vinny's gone. Quarterback if you don't get the three mentioned forget about it.

[Dirtbag59]

If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"

That might be better in terms of making him a Redskin.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"

We can always hope for that refusal, though.