McNabb a REDSKIN!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, in fact, none of them are half as accomplished as Andy Reid, who is feeling pretty darn loose this morning after planting McNabb on the Skins.

Reid>Shanahan.

I'll take the guy who managed to get mediocre players like Plummer, Lelie, and Bell "high-level" statistical performances and helped an old Elway produce more TDs in a season more consistently than a younger Elway over the dude who can't stick to the run when he has to.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No, in fact, none of them are half as accomplished as Andy Reid, who is feeling pretty darn loose this morning after planting McNabb on the Skins.

Reid>Shanahan.

I know you love Reid but c'mon the real count is

Shanahan 2
Reid 0

2 as in rings

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I know you love Reid but c'mon the real count is

Shanahan 2
Reid 0

2 as in rings

Shanahan also leads in head coaching firings, and I'll put 1:1 odds on Shanahan getting "fired" here (includes a forced step-down) before he retires. So there's something else Shanahan could lead 2-0 in.

Not to put the tombstone on Shanahan before anything happens, but I think Reid has a much longer leash in the wake of this trade than anyone thinks. Neither coach has a job on the line this year. But Reid will win again in the NFL, and Shanahan's got a big rebuilding project on his hands.

[GTripp0012]

K.C. Joyner, rightfully, puts the smackdown on us here:

KC Joyner - Did Redskins overpay for Donovan McNabb? - ESPN [Insider Only]

[sandtrapjack]

Well all I can say is that with the addition of McNabb, this makes the Redskins INSTANTLY a better team. Now is it 6 or 7 more wins better? I doubt it. But the QB position abosolutely got better.

However, I would be interested to see what KIND and LENGTH of extension that Allen negotiates with McNabb to get a better feel for his role. They could still be looking at Clausen in the first round.

Biggest need of the team is Offensive Line and Depth along that front. Putting a rookie behind the line that is there now would be devestating. It could be that McNabb is being used to groom a young QB for a couple of years, and in that time frame, build a line around the new QB as he matures.

At the end of the day, however, I would love to see McNabb FINALLY get a fair shake from the fans and media of his team. He has always been sorely mistreated by the fans and media in Philly. He has always deserved better, and for that I think he landed in the right place.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Well all I can say is that with the addition of McNabb, this makes the Redskins INSTANTLY a better team. Now is it 6 or 7 more wins better? I doubt it. But the QB position abosolutely got better.

However, I would be interested to see what KIND and LENGTH of extension that Allen negotiates with McNabb to get a better feel for his role. They could still be looking at Clausen in the first round.

Biggest need of the team is Offensive Line and Depth along that front. Putting a rookie behind the line that is there now would be devestating. It could be that McNabb is being used to groom a young QB for a couple of years, and in that time frame, build a line around the new QB as he matures.

At the end of the day, however, I would love to see McNabb FINALLY get a fair shake from the fans and media of his team. He has always been sorely mistreated by the fans and media in Philly. He has always deserved better, and for that I think he landed in the right place.

The Skins lost the most games by 3 points or less last season. He only has to make us 3 points better per game and we are over .500. That's already more than I was expecting this year.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by Angry

The Skins lost the most games by 3 points or less last season. He only has to make us 3 points better per game and we are over .500. That's already more than I was expecting this year.

Yes, correct no arugement here. But I was thinking along the lines of the strength of schedule for the 2010 season.

You have to admit, the games that were lost by 3 points or less in 2009 were from what most would consider, below average teams.

2010: Packers, Vikings, Saints, Colts, Titans that is a tough stretch of better quality opponents.

Again, McNabb makes the Redskins a better team in 2010, but I do not think 6 or 7 wins better.

[diehardskin2982]

McNabb makes Moss, Thomas, and the rest of the recieving core look alot better.

[over the mountain]

shanny and allen and kyle im going to assume like the trade. im going to assume they have enough information before them and enough tenure in this league to properly analyze what they are looking at.

any glowing or doomsday opinions right now are premature. we goota see how this plays out, what additions are still to made and play on the field before any opinions can carry any weight.

but right now, our FO likes the move. im going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they know more than any of us and whatever blogger from idaho might think.

[53Fan]

The Eagles are well known for getting rid of players who still have some value, but when their best days are behind them. Reid said he can't predict how well Kolb will do, he thinks he'll be good but he has to show it. Just curious, if THEY think McNabb still has 5 good years ahead of him, why not trade Kolb and extend McNabbs contract for 4 more years?

[MTK]

Apparently Skins v Eagles on 10/26 was based on the 2009 schedule. lol big oops to whoever first mentioned this at ESPN.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

when i look at the trade, i look at it in terms of what we'd have used our 2nd round pick on.

1. I certainly like McNabb over any QB we could have drafted at 37 for several reasons - We traded MUCH more to acquire Jason Campbell and looked how that turned out for us. After 5 years, we've gotten nothing from the deal. McNabb will start immediately and play at a high level for 3-4 years. We have every reason to expect McNabb to play better than any QB we've had in almost 20 years.

2. If we hadnt drafted McNabb and stayed at 4 and 37, we very likely would have gone Clausen at 4 and an OT at 37. Now, if we stay at 4, we very likely will go Okung/Bulaga at 4. NO sane person is going to say that Clausen and a 2nd round OT is a better tandem than Okung/Bulaga and McNabb.

3. Bradford and Clausen are both vastly overrated in my opinion. Taking a gamble on either of them would have been very very risky.

4. We all knew that Campbell was not going to be the long-term QB of this team. By signing Mcnabb, we've taken the top QB available via trade off the market. By all appearances, the Rams are going to take Bradford. Somebody will take a gamble on Clausen. That leaves other teams wanting a franchise QB left with three choices: Jason Campbell, Colt McCoy, or Tim Tebow. McCoy and Tebow are long-term projects. Campbell can start right away. It may seem counterintuitive, but by signing McNabb, I think we've dramatically increased Campbells trade value. I'd be shocked if Campbell didn't yield a low 2nd or high 3rd rounder at this point.

5. This is the best yet - Bradford will freefall if he doesnt sign a contract with the Rams prior to the draft.... which means he'll sign with the Rams and be the #1 overall selection in the draft. That means one of Okung, McCoy, or Suh will be available at 4. If its Suh or McCoy, then SOMEONE is going to want to trade with us for the #4 pick. By signing McNabb, we've almost ensured that we can move out of the #4 pick and acquire more picks in the draft.

Lets look at the situation before and after this trade.

BEFORE: Jason Campbell, two picks in the first three rounds.

AFTER: Donovan McNabb and likely trades yielding atleast three picks in the first 3 rounds.

BOTTOM LINE: When we look back on this trade in context, the Skins did very very very well here. Its what Michael Scott would call a "WIN/WIN/WIN." Kudos to Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan here.

[johno]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

when i look at the trade, i look at it in terms of what we'd have used our 2nd round pick on.

1. I certainly like McNabb over any QB we could have drafted at 37 for several reasons - We traded MUCH more to acquire Jason Campbell and looked how that turned out for us. After 5 years, we've gotten nothing from the deal. McNabb will start immediately and play at a high level for 3-4 years. We have every reason to expect McNabb to play better than any QB we've had in almost 20 years.

2. If we hadnt drafted McNabb and stayed at 4 and 37, we very likely would have gone Clausen at 4 and an OT at 37. Now, if we stay at 4, we very likely will go Okung/Bulaga at 4. NO sane person is going to say that Clausen and a 2nd round OT is a better tandem than Okung/Bulaga and McNabb.

3. Bradford and Clausen are both vastly overrated in my opinion. Taking a gamble on either of them would have been very very risky.

4. We all knew that Campbell was not going to be the long-term QB of this team. By signing Mcnabb, we've taken the top QB available via trade off the market. By all appearances, the Rams are going to take Bradford. Somebody will take a gamble on Clausen. That leaves other teams wanting a franchise QB left with three choices: Jason Campbell, Colt McCoy, or Tim Tebow. McCoy and Tebow are long-term projects. Campbell can start right away. It may seem counterintuitive, but by signing McNabb, I think we've dramatically increased Campbells trade value. I'd be shocked if Campbell didn't yield a low 2nd or high 3rd rounder at this point.

5. This is the best yet - Bradford will freefall if he doesnt sign a contract with the Rams prior to the draft.... which means he'll sign with the Rams and be the #1 overall selection in the draft. That means one of Okung, McCoy, or Suh will be available at 4. If its Suh or McCoy, then SOMEONE is going to want to trade with us for the #4 pick. By signing McNabb, we've almost ensured that we can move out of the #4 pick and acquire more picks in the draft.

Lets look at the situation before and after this trade.

BEFORE: Jason Campbell, two picks in the first three rounds.

AFTER: Donovan McNabb and likely trades yielding atleast three picks in the first 3 rounds.

BOTTOM LINE: When we look back on this trade in context, the Skins did very very very well here. Its what Michael Scott would call a "WIN/WIN/WIN." Kudos to Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan here.

Great post BHA, and a solid Office reference to boot.

[diehardskin2982]

^it is a foregone conclusion we will draft a lineman.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

^it is a foregone conclusion we will draft a lineman.

Yeah I can't see us passing on Okung now, or taking extra picks in a trade down if that presented itself. Either way, I think we come out of this draft with at least 2 OL.