McNabb a REDSKIN!

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I wonder how much Brett Favre and Kurt Warner being very productive late in their careers influenced this move. You have to think, McNabb is 33 years old. No, he's no spring chicken, but he has more than enough gas in the tank. If we can draft a top flight QB in the next year or two, make a playoff run in the meantime, this move was well worth it.

In the end I think Philly did a poor job on the communications end when trade rumors started to swirl a few weeks ago. The longer it dragged on, the viable options started to dwindle and they were in a PR pickle. There's no way in hell the Redskins were on the radar when this all started. I feel like we lucked up big time on this one.

I doubt that someone working in the FO would just look at age of other QBs as a significant reason behind their decisions. I think it's all Shanahan believing he can make it work with McNabb, and there is evidence that he can boost a QB's performance. Even the illustrious Elway underwent a huge stat inflation under Shanahan. Jake Plummer, a 4000+ ydseason. Steve Young had a monstrous SB performance.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I doubt that someone working in the FO would just look at age of other QBs as a significant reason behind their decisions. I think it's all Shanahan believing he can make it work with McNabb, and there is evidence that he can boost a QB's performance. Even the illustrious Elway underwent a huge stat inflation under Shanahan. Jake Plummer, a 4000+ ydseason. Steve Young had a monstrous SB performance.

Are inflated McNabb numbers worth more than inflated Campbell numbers? If so, how so?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Are inflated McNabb numbers worth more than inflated Campbell numbers? If so, how so?

You can stink in some departments(short passing accuracy) if other abilities override it(instincts to extend the play, deep ball accuarcy). Campbell's throws are like musket shots. They're never on target or there's some miscomm. Never can one be certain whether he intended to throw something like back shoulder pass(Oakland game) or it just happned to be there. Campbell's pocket presence is artificial at best. The fumble in the Giants game is more than ample evidence that he needs to think about when his time's up and it's not an instinctive ability of his. He also can't see the field well, such as missing Yoder on that quadruple streak play.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

You can stink in some departments(short passing accuracy) if other abilities override it(instincts to extend the play, deep ball accuarcy). Campbell's throws are like musket shots. They're never on target or there's some miscomm. Never can one be certain whether he intended to throw something like back shoulder pass(Oakland game) or it just happned to be there. Campbell's pocket presence is artificial at best. The fumble in the Giants game is more than ample evidence that he needs to think about when his time's up and it's not an instinctive ability of his. He also can't see the field well, such as missing Yoder on that quadruple streak play.

Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.

Oh don't worry, old man Rypien may have failed in certain areas (out passes, according to Gibbs) but he had a heck of a deep ball. McNabb is better than that and if he does start stinking? Ride the running game.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.

GTripp, who knew that when we were talking about what seemed to be totally hypothetical at 2:00 a.m., that we will get a definitive answer over the next few years.

I think both of us hope that my position was right! ;-)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Boy, you are going to have your world crushed when McNabb plays similarly for four games, then falls on his rifle and gets hurt.

Rather that, then watch the rest of the team play fairly well and JC throw games away (or damn near) that we should win, or watch him miss scoring opportunities on a regular basis, or have the coaching staff have to tailor the gameplan around JC's limitations.

And on the injury thing, in the last three years (since JC has been a full-time starter) McNabb missed 4 games, JC missed 3. Since McNabb's injuries, he's been a lot more selective running the ball.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Rather that, then watch the rest of the team play fairly well and JC throw games away (or damn near) that we should win, or watch him miss scoring opportunities on a regular basis, or have the coaching staff have to tailor the gameplan around JC's limitations.

And on the injury thing, in the last three years (since JC has been a full-time starter) McNabb missed 4 games, JC missed 3. Since McNabb's injuries, he's been a lot more selective running the ball.

Actually most of the time it was JC's bad play, the o-line's horrible play, and Zorn's horrible play calling.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Actually most of the time it was JC's bad play, the o-line's horrible play, and Zorn's horrible play calling.

Early in the season the OL wasn't terrible, once Samuels went down and Heyer moved over.....well we all know what happened from there. Zorn certainly left something to be desired in playcalling too.

But, when Campbell had chances he didn't capitalize and often made mistakes. You know the old first read's covered.....straight to check-down routine. Or the misread the D and throw into 2x or 3x coverage. Or don't bother to look off the safety, misread coverage and throw the ball up for a pick. Or make bad throws on the fade/go routes that would've been TDs.....etc,etc,etc.

[Rajmahal33]

LET THE SHANOVAN ERA BEGIN!!!


(I also considered, Donohan...but Shanovan is better IMHO...thoughts?)

[skinsguy]

I just don't know about this. McNabb is definitely an upgrade from Campbell, no doubt about that! I am SURPRISED that the Eagles traded him to a division foe. This is all very shocking to me! before we get to the Elway comparisons with the age, let's just remember that Elway had been in Denver for years before Shanahan came to town AND Elway had been to at least three Super Bowls before Shanahan came to town. McNabb is in a new city, new team, and has been to one Super Bowl. Don't know if it's fair to compare McNabb to Elway. Two different situations!