McNabb a REDSKIN!

[SirClintonPortis]

Gtripp doesn't know how badly he's messing with himself. Campbell having to learn a new playbook? No problem for McNabb, who has plenty of experience in the Walsh O. Win for McNabb.
Campbell beating out McNabb short passing-wise? Uhhh, no.
O that requires the QB to throw on the run or extend that play? McNabb wins by a longshot. We know he has the instincts to make plays on the move.
Deep ball? McNabb
Age? Evened out by Campbell lack of experience.
Durability? When Fat Andy passes 50+ times a game, of course he's going to get his QB hurt eventually.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Gtripp doesn't know how badly he's messing with himself. Campbell having to learn a new playbook? No problem for McNabb, who has plenty of experience in the Walsh O. Win for McNabb.
Campbell beating out McNabb short passing-wise? Uhhh, no.
O that requires the QB to throw on the run or extend that play? McNabb wins by a longshot. We know he has the instincts to make plays on the move.
Deep ball? McNabb
Age? Evened out by Campbell lack of experience.
Durability? When Fat Andy passes 50+ times a game, of course he's going to get his QB hurt eventually.

I'll put the over/under on games played as a Redskin for McNabb at 11.5. You'll bite?

Seriously though, your analysis here is complete garbage. Try to offer something more substantial so I can respond to the argument as opposed to how sore you are being.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Educate yourself, please.

Bruce Gradkowski NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Stats don't tell the whole story

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'll put the over/under on games played as a Redskin for McNabb at 11.5. You'll bite?

Seriously though, your analysis here is complete garbage. Try to offer something more substantial so I can respond to the argument as opposed to how sore you are being.

No. Your biases are clear enough.
Fact is that McNabb is more experienced than Campbell in the WCO. He's had a lot of years to soak it in.
Fact is that Reid basically tried to "discipline" him into a pure pocket passer. v
Fact is that Shanahan's system does utilize bootlegs and rollouts frequently.
Fact is that McNabb knows how to play on the run.
Fact is that McNabb can put super touch on his deep balls.
Fact is that Campbell can't even manage a practiced back shoulder throw while someone "comparable" like Rodgers does it with Driver all the time.
Fact is that Shanahan knows how to get something out of QBs who have some mobility and can make plays with their arm.(Elway, Young, and hell, even Plummer)
Fact is that McNabb isn't going to be in a one-dimensional offensive philsophy. Implementation may be an issue, but Fat Andy won't be in his way anyone.
Fact is that Campbell can't hold it till that very last moment like many great QBs can. Doug Farrar said as much.

Fact is that you can deny the truth value of the statements, but self-evident things do not need analysis.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Stats don't tell the whole story



No. Your biases are clear enough.
Fact is that McNabb is more experienced than Campbell in the WCO. He's had a lot of years to soak it in.
Fact is that Reid basically tried to "discipline" him into a pure pocket passer. v
Fact is that Shanahan's system does utilize bootlegs and rollouts frequently.
Fact is that McNabb knows how to play on the run.
Fact is that McNabb can put super touch on his deep balls.
Fact is that Campbell can't even manage a practiced back shoulder throw while someone "comparable" like Rodgers does it with Driver all the time.
Fact is that Shanahan knows how to get something out of QBs who have some mobility and can make plays with their arm.
Fact is that McNabb isn't going to be in a one-dimensional offensive philsophy. Implementation may be an issue, but Fat Andy won't be in his way anyone.
Fact is that Campbell can't hold it till that very last moment like many great QBs can. Doug Farrar said as much.

Fact is that you can deny the truth value of the statements, but self-evident things do not need analysis.

Stuff like Gradkowski>Campbell is low-hanging fruit. I do not want to hear what does and does not tell the "whole story" when you're just flat out lying to me.

You can't claim self-evidence as logical support when your arguments are entirely faith based. I'll do you the courtesy of not accepting your failures here as support for my arguments validity, and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and rule out the fact that there's genius in this move that neither of us can see, but I'm just going to reject most if not all of your premises here as some mix of false and insignificant.

I don't consider it significant that McNabb has experience in the Reid WCO, seeing as the only defense for this trade would be that Shanahan is going to use him more optimally.

I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).

Faith in Shanahan, faith in Shanahan, anybody but Campbell, "trust the process". Got it.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Stuff like Gradkowski>Campbell is low-hanging fruit. I do not want to hear what does and does not tell the "whole story" when you're just flat out lying to me.

You can't claim self-evidence as logical support when your arguments are entirely faith based. I'll do you the courtesy of not accepting your failures here as support for my arguments validity, and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and rule out the fact that there's genius in this move that neither of us can see, but I'm just going to reject most if not all of your premises here as some mix of false and insignificant.

I don't consider it significant that McNabb has experience in the Reid WCO, seeing as the only defense for this trade would be that Shanahan is going to use him more optimally.

I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).

Faith in Shanahan, faith in Shanahan, anybody but Campbell, "trust the process". Got it.

Boo-hoo. Shanahan's track record and with QBs and the abilities those QBs had is why I'm going all gaga for McNabb. McNabb has mobility, arm strength, ability to attack the deep secondary, and the ability to extend the play. He may not be BETTER than the two HOFs and Cutler, but he sure as hell should be able to run the system just fine, and certainly better than Campbell.

Gradkowski>Campbell is emprically based. They're roughly the same, but Gradkowski wins in terms of pocket presence and decision making. The dropoff from him and Russell was enormous.

You're assuming Campbell is like a monster sponge in terms of acquiring human capital for QB'ing such that he can comparably compete with folks in the top tier or near-top tier of QBs. I'll wait to see the day he undergoes such a miraculous transformation. However, if he's to "burst out" in such a manner, then all of those "just as adequate" arguments fall by the wayside since he improved in such a manner that he's went "up" into a higher status.

You argue that the benefit of acquiring McNabb is only slightly more than Campbell, and thus not worth the cost. This assumes extreme degradation in McNabb's human capital. I find it highly doubtful Campbell, or any other football player, has such a capacity to learn "quarterbacking" such that he'll suddenly explode onto the scene somewhere. He may be adequate, but he's not indispensible.

Deep plays are low percentage by nature. Even so, the Eagles are sure committed to attempting those big plays. I wonder why. Perhaps it emphasizes the QB's strengths? Strengths that would translate in the the Shanahan big play offense? Exactly. McNabb fits the profile better than Campbell.


We'll see bootlegs. Don't worry about it faith based. After all, having two Broncos games on my computer surely means all those rollouts called were just an anomaly. Surely a rare deviation from the straight drop back and pass playcalls.

Besides, it's not like other QBs Shanny coached had some ability to make plays with their mobility...or is it? Plummer, Cutler, Young, and Elway all could move around in the pocket adequately and scramble. Campbell is a pocket passer, McNabb can scramble "naturally".

[Kalisto2010]

GTripp0012I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).
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I going to demonstrate right here and now why no one should listen to anything you have to say when it comes to football. When it comes to balls of of 21+ yards McNabb has a QB rating of 100(According to ESPN). So when you say he doesn't complete many of his deep balls it's total bullshit.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Stuff like Gradkowski>Campbell is low-hanging fruit. I do not want to hear what does and does not tell the "whole story" when you're just flat out lying to me.

You can't claim self-evidence as logical support when your arguments are entirely faith based. I'll do you the courtesy of not accepting your failures here as support for my arguments validity, and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and rule out the fact that there's genius in this move that neither of us can see, but I'm just going to reject most if not all of your premises here as some mix of false and insignificant.

I don't consider it significant that McNabb has experience in the Reid WCO, seeing as the only defense for this trade would be that Shanahan is going to use him more optimally.

I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).

Faith in Shanahan, faith in Shanahan, anybody but Campbell, "trust the process". Got it.

Ok now you've lost me on this one.