Donovan McNabb: The New Face of The Redskins

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by saden1

Let's not get ahead of ourselves but if we do I'm pretty sure he would enter the HoF as an Eagle. I mean, look at Ricky Jackson of the 2010 class, he won a SB with the 49ers in his last season in the league but he choose to be inducted as a Saint.

For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.

So McNabb will be an Eagle when he goes into the HOF, is that what you are trying to say?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For the billionth time, unlike the baseball HOF, football HOF'ers are not associated with any specific team when they are inducted.

I know that they list the teams the player played for but that doesn't mean he isn't associated with one team. Jackson played 13 out of 15 years with the Saints...he's a Saint and inducted as a Saint regardless of what teams are listed besides his name.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by saden1

McNabb is not and will never be the face of the Redskins. He may play for the Skins but he will always be the face of the Eagles.

If he finally gets his Lombardi with the Skins, maybe even a few of them...the Eagles years of his career will end up looking like a failed experiment. He could even go into the HOF as a Skin if they're that much more successful.

Most people remember Elway for the years he won Super Bowls, not the orange crush years where he couldn't win the big game. Sure, strange analogy because Elway only changed uniforms, not teams...but you know what I'm conveying.

Is John Riggins remembered as a Jet? Most people probably don't even know he was on a team other than the one he won the big game with.

[53Fan]

It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.

Well if they win, I think it will continue. If they lose, oh boy...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

It will be interesting to see if this "Lovefest" for McNabb continues through the season.

Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience. I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.

And one more thing, Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.

[SBXVII]

[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;683854]Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience. I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.

And one more thing, Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.[/QUOTE]

You are 100% talking about me. The first quote kinda speaks volumes as to how I feel. I'm doing my best to not draw comparisons but right after we let go of the aged players not producing we picked up other aged players. slight concern. The lower cost is the only positive.

The second quote I would disagree with. He only threw the bank at AH last yr. We picked up some cheap possibly prudent FA's although we are not getting younger, then we made our biggest move for McNabb throwing away draft picks.... multiple draft picks. I'd have rather picked up "our" Rookie franchise QB for the future (going with the getting younger theme) or kept JC with slightly lesser stats, put him in this better system and made him battle for whoever should be starter. We would not have thrown away draft picks. Especially since we were short by one and used one on a defensive player last yr in the supp. draft.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

You are 100% talking about me. The first quote kinda speaks volumes as to how I feel. I'm doing my best to not draw comparisons but right after we let go of the aged players not producing we picked up other aged players. slight concern. The lower cost is the only positive.

The second quote I would disagree with. He only threw the bank at AH last yr. We picked up some cheap possibly prudent FA's although we are not getting younger, then we made our biggest move for McNabb throwing away draft picks.... multiple draft picks. I'd have rather picked up "our" Rookie franchise QB for the future (going with the getting younger theme) or kept JC with slightly lesser stats, put him in this better system and made him battle for whoever should be starter. We would not have thrown away draft picks. Especially since we were short by one and used one on a defensive player last yr in the supp. draft.

If I touched on your views it wasn't directly. Most of the time when I make a statement like that I don't really have someone in mind. If I do have someone in mind I quote them or use the trendy @username.

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I personally don't give a damn what Vinny would have done, he's not here. GTripp basically got called out for saying if you want to judge Shanahan and Allen on this move alone, they were idiots. If I recall correctly, the Eagles at first wanted a 1rst round pick for McNabb. Then after not getting much action, lowered that to a top 42 pick. We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. And one more thing. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.

Obviously our views on McNabb's ability differ. However what I see is a team that just went from having the worst QB in the division to having the best in the division and at the same time taking him away from a division rival.

I see a league were Kurt Warner revived his career at 36 years old and Brett Farve had his best season at 40. QB now more then ever is a mental position where while your physical skills may diminish, your ability to read and dissect defenses will be worth the trade off. And all this for a second round pick. Tell me would you have been happy if we just traded Rocky McIntosh for McNabb? I know we shouldn't give away all of our draft picks and we need to build through the draft but a second rounder for a guy like McNabb is insane if you ask me.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Obviously our views on McNabb's ability differ. However what I see is a team that just went from having the worst QB in the division to having the best in the division and at the same time taking him away from a division rival.

I see a league were Kurt Warner revived his career at 36 years old and Brett Farve had his best season at 40. QB now more then ever is a mental position where while your physical skills may diminish, your ability to read and dissect defenses will be worth the trade off. And all this for a second round pick. Tell me would you have been happy if we just traded Rocky McIntosh for McNabb? I know we shouldn't give away all of our draft picks and we need to build through the draft but a second rounder for a guy like McNabb is insane if you ask me.

There is no doubt about that Dirtbag. Kurt Warner was the QB for the "Greatest Show on Turf." He QBed three teams to SB's and won 1. He is an amazing story. Has Brett Favre EVER missed a game because of injury? He also led 3 teams to SB's and won 1. I don't put McNabb in that category. And unfortunately we didn't just trade a 2nd rounder for him even though that seemed to be all they were asking, we also threw in a 3rd or 4th next year. It's funny how we talk about how important it is to keep our picks...until we decide it isn't.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Lovefest? This is practically a public riot. People think that just because we're trying to "win now" we're doing things the Vinny way. I think people had it set in their minds that we were going to be below .500 this year and now that it's clear that we're going to try to win people are uncomfortable because they immediately associate this with the old regime.

Yet at the same time people were begging for us to go O-Line first and with this trade we're practically guaranteed to get a franchise tackle, yet thats not good enough for some people, because they thought QB hungry people would accept simply drafting a Tony Pike or God forbid John Skelator. This is the compromise and it's a pretty damn good one if you ask me. Franchise tackle and QB in the same year.

This is a front office that has been proactive all the while displaying prudence and patience. I certainly don't agree with the Vinny comparisons though I do understand what would lead one to draw that conclusion.

And one more thing, Vinny would have basically thrown the bank at Peppers, Clifton, and Dansby. Drafted Clausen then traded for Gaither. Personally I don't mind the draft strategy but going after the first three free agents mentioned would have been overkill.

I personally don't give a damn what Vinny would have done, he's not here. GTripp basically got called out for saying if you want to judge Shanahan and Allen on this move alone, they were idiots. If I recall correctly, the Eagles at first wanted a 1rst round pick for McNabb. Then after not getting much action, lowered that to a top 42 pick. We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. And one more thing. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.

[itvnetop]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

We gave them #37 and a 3rd or 4th next year. I call that idiotic. Not only did we draft IMO, an over rated 33 year old QB with a very high 2nd this year, we're drafting a 34 year old over rated QB with our 3rd or 4th next year. And one more thing. I would hardly call throwing draft picks at a 33 year old QB prudence and patience.

Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.

It's even funnier a day earlier cause most Eagle fans were happy about the trade and said they would have taken less just to get rid of McNabb. some even offered to back the truck up and move his ass. LOL.

It sounded today like half the fans would have taken anything and were no longer happy with him, and the other half just can't see McNabb in a Skins uni. I didn't hear any of them saying "we should have gotten more for him."

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Interestingly enough, many Philly fans (including his most ardent detractors) think they gave away D-Mac for way too little. Funny how perspective swings with fence sides haha.

Seriously though, if we're not in the NFC East I think we don't have to throw in next year's pick. Call it a premium to get a division rival's franchise QB... this type of trade rarely happens. You've gotta remember that the Eagle's FO knows they're helping a division foe get stronger; considering division is everything, you've got to sweeten the pot a bit. I think we came out just fine.

Some of us are putting a pretty high value on JC. That's what fans do. Philly was in a bind with McNabb deciding he wouldn't sign with certain teams. I don't think next years picks were necessary.

[TheSmurfs22]

Going to be weird seeing McNabb in the B and G. Already strange to see his face with the Skins emblem next to it.
I am really excited about the draft and what will happen and how the Campbell situation is going to play out.