Campbell will now stay away from Redskins Park

[wilsowilso]

Anyone around here thinking we are getting anything more than a fourth(or most likely a fifth) round pick for Campbell needs to leave fantasy island and return to the land of reality.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

I guess looking at the numbers, Neither Brad Johnson nor Rich Gannon looked like Superbowl level QB's... but hey, neither did Doug Williams. As the Buc's QB, they went 2-14. Wow... 2 games worse than JC's last season. (since everyone considers the win/loss record as a qb stat)

Rypien's pre-superbowl stats weren't very impressive either. Not horrible, but not, "Holy Crap! This guy's gonn abe a Superbowl NVP some day" looking either.

Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Actually, you're wrong about Doug Williams...but that won't stop you from defending your error I suppose

uh huh... I was wrong, his worst season was 5-11.

You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was the guy!

Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

Welker has never been "gameplanned around". Randy Moss is a guy that's gameplanned around, that opens things up for Welker.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

uh huh... I was wrong, his worst season was 5-11.

You know, you guys are right! As a Buc, his 31 wins, 34 losses, and one tie as practicaly SCREAMS 'Superbowl record breaker' if you think about it! You're right. As soon as I saw is best season of 76.8 rating i would've forgotten all about the two years where he rated in the lower 50's. Wow! If his early work would've inspired you to hire him, i bet you must LOVE Jason Campbell! His first buc season was 5-11, then they went 10-6... which would be cool if they didn't just end up going to 5-10-1 the next season (WAY better than JC), but i guess his final 9-7 season is what really told you he was destined for greatness.

No... i bet it was his 14-22 record as an Arizona Outlaw in the USLF that you guys saw that cemented in your mind that THIS was the guy!

Dripping sarcasm noted....Anyway, in his 2nd year in the league, Williams was the QB of a team that went to the NFC Championship game (I think, not positive off hand). A team that was only in ts 4th year of existence.

But I'm not even sure what your point was in the first place.

Look, though the latest Superbowl winning QBs are upper echelon like Manning, Brady, and Brees, One: the change that GOT them to the big game is improved defense, improved o-line (+insane kicker), and improved defense respectively. A great QB breaks records like Dan Marino, but alone is as useless as having only Barry Sanders. Fill the stat books but not win championships. Also, without the other pieces, a great player can be hidden behind lacklust stats due to the rest of the team. If you just look at wes welker in Miami, especialy just his stats, you do NOT see him as the guy you have to game plan around. TWO: there are PLENTY of Superbowls that were won by teams with QBs that dont' have the IT factor. If IT factor was all it took, Dan Marino would have more rings than fingers and Trent Dilfer would DEFINATLY not have a ring. Rex Grossman sure as hell wouldn't have had a superbowl appearance either.

IT factor is, of course, not all it takes but more often than not a team won't make a Super Bowl without a franchise QB.

Though I'm still not sure what your point is in all of this. And what your rants about Rypien, Humphries, and Gannon were all about

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

I'm just saying, pryor to his superbowl victory behind an awesome team, his best seasonal rating was 76.8.

His last season before Gibbs brought him here, he threw 9 tds and 11 interceptions. So tell me, Mr Smootsmack... if you look at all the QBs that have won the big one, and just look at stats, are they all Marino and McNabb like?

Lack luster, yet dependable QBs with some "but not necessarily great" comeback abilities like Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer prove that with a great defense and a 'solid' offense, the big games can be won WELL! Great line, Steady QB, solid RBs, and sure handed passing options are all it takes if the defense is top 5.

Joe Theismann played 5 full seasons before throwing more TD's than picks. I guess when Joe Gibbs get here, he should've looked at Joe' sold stats and ignored the gameplay, huh. Judging by his stats, he was NOT a Superbowl winner. Instead of drafting Mark May to solidify the o-line, we should've gotten one of the great QBs available.

[tryfuhl]

more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

more like Beneil (hardhead since 87) amirite?

[SolidSnake84]

I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I made my peace with Beneil months ago. You guys should do the same. He's just a passionate fan. He does have good points from time to time.

Friend from another board?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Friend from another board?

No, i just know him from here. Him and Me got into it pretty hard over a Clinton Portis argument last fall, but eventually the dust settled and we made peace lol.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i still don't get what his point actually was and how its relevant to the topic of the thread.

[tryfuhl]

We haven't rebuilt the O-Line, we've just had a carousel. When something is built that means that it's done, we're currently building the O-Line. Past years should tell us that depth is very important.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Oh and no, i dont' think we'll have a "Perfectly Rebuilt Offensive Line" by week one. That's one of the main reasons I question the McNabb signing.